New OPM memo on RTO

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Anonymous wrote:What are we going to do with all of these people who are forced out? Unemployment is not good for the economy.

We can stop approving H one B's for starters.

Are you representative of the average intelligence level of a Fed?

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Anonymous wrote:What are we going to do with all of these people who are forced out? Unemployment is not good for the economy.

Not to mention restaurants in the DMV suburbs. They’re going to have to lay off their lunchtime staff.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

It's always been incredibly difficult to recruit recent grads. Tech companies pay much better than the government does. Even universities pay better.

The tech companies are RTO and many are doing RTO to reduce numbers/forced quitting and hiring freezes. There are not as many jobs as people think.

They have in-person requirements, but not 5 days/week. And there are some fully remote positions, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

It's always been incredibly difficult to recruit recent grads. Tech companies pay much better than the government does. Even universities pay better.

The tech companies are RTO and many are doing RTO to reduce numbers/forced quitting and hiring freezes. There are not as many jobs as people think.

They have in-person requirements, but not 5 days/week. And there are some fully remote positions, too.

This. The norm is 3-4 days RTO for maybe 6 hours each day (with more work in the evening at home, of course). If the government tries to mandate 8.5 hours in-office, that will impose more hardship than 5 days/week for a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:What are we going to do with all of these people who are forced out? Unemployment is not good for the economy.

We can stop approving H one B's for starters.

Are you representative of the average intelligence level of a Fed?

Why do you say that? I had to type it that way to get around some sort of filter.

So actually I am very familiar with that visa class professionally. Some pay legit but others do undercut wages and their spouse often takes a professional job as well after receiving work authorization. You're a moron if you think these have no impact on American jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

It's always been incredibly difficult to recruit recent grads. Tech companies pay much better than the government does. Even universities pay better.

The tech companies are RTO and many are doing RTO to reduce numbers/forced quitting and hiring freezes. There are not as many jobs as people think.

They have in-person requirements, but not 5 days/week. And there are some fully remote positions, too.

This. The norm is 3-4 days RTO for maybe 6 hours each day (with more work in the evening at home, of course). If the government tries to mandate 8.5 hours in-office, that will impose more hardship than 5 days/week for a lot of people.

Amazon is 5 days, Meta varies but is mostly hybrid, and most other tech companies are at least 4 days for revenue generating/product functions with 2-3 days being more the norm for non-revenue generating functions. I would push back on 6 hours being standard though. 9-5 is standard. Someone would be looked askance at if they were in the office from 9-3 everyday and eventually there manager would have a “read the room” discussion with them. That said, I have colleagues in the Bay Area who were told they could be remote when they started so now that they are expected to come in there is more flexibility to leave early, especially with Bay Area traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

Sometime mission driven are hard working and innovative, when they are treated with respect and have flexibility.

Those too far from retirement will stay mission driven, do the minimum, fly under the radar.

Having served in a federal job (FDA) for over 15 years, here is what I have seen:
1. Those who stick around and are resilient are not the best employees, in fact they are the ones who are least likely to take initiatives. They are the ones who do bare minimum to justify their roles and responsibilities and would never leave their federal jobs as they know they won’t survive in the private sector. The federal job is a safe haven for them as the likelihood of getting fired in a federal job is close to zero.
2. There are several 65+ senior citizens in the federal jobs at FDA who would literally die from their work. No they are not the most passionate or mission driven individuals. The federal job for them is an easy job, involving minimum efforts, hardly working for few hours a day, answerable to none, zero transparency. So, why leaving the freely available salary and benefits. Note that these are also some of the highest paid federal employees.
3. Another interesting observation: there are a lot of USPHS employees at FDA (and other federal agencies). Most of these hardly go for any deployment in case of natural disasters or emergencies as they join USPHS for the attractive salaries and perks. After completing 20 years of USPHS service, they take retirement and join the federal government service in the same role that they had been doing prior to the retirement from USPHS. So now these folks not only enjoy retirement benefits from USPHS, but also a federal govt salary. Thus Gaming the system. Do you think such employees will ever quit the federal job?
4. This leads me to my last comment. Who will leave the federal job? Only the best employees who will never get a chance to prosper in the federal job as the growth opportunities are blocked by those senior citizens and USPHS employees sitting in the management positions who aren’t driven by the mission but by the easy money they can make in their federal roles without anyone checking on their work. I haven’t heard most of these managers speak in any intellectual discussions or scientific meetings yet no one challenges them.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

Sometime mission driven are hard working and innovative, when they are treated with respect and have flexibility.

Those too far from retirement will stay mission driven, do the minimum, fly under the radar.

Having served in a federal job (FDA) for over 15 years, here is what I have seen:
1. Those who stick around and are resilient are not the best employees, in fact they are the ones who are least likely to take initiatives. They are the ones who do bare minimum to justify their roles and responsibilities and would never leave their federal jobs as they know they won’t survive in the private sector. The federal job is a safe haven for them as the likelihood of getting fired in a federal job is close to zero.
2. There are several 65+ senior citizens in the federal jobs at FDA who would literally die from their work. No they are not the most passionate or mission driven individuals. The federal job for them is an easy job, involving minimum efforts, hardly working for few hours a day, answerable to none, zero transparency. So, why leaving the freely available salary and benefits. Note that these are also some of the highest paid federal employees.
3. Another interesting observation: there are a lot of USPHS employees at FDA (and other federal agencies). Most of these hardly go for any deployment in case of natural disasters or emergencies as they join USPHS for the attractive salaries and perks. After completing 20 years of USPHS service, they take retirement and join the federal government service in the same role that they had been doing prior to the retirement from USPHS. So now these folks not only enjoy retirement benefits from USPHS, but also a federal govt salary. Thus Gaming the system. Do you think such employees will ever quit the federal job?
4. This leads me to my last comment. Who will leave the federal job? Only the best employees who will never get a chance to prosper in the federal job as the growth opportunities are blocked by those senior citizens and USPHS employees sitting in the management positions who aren’t driven by the mission but by the easy money they can make in their federal roles without anyone checking on their work. I haven’t heard most of these managers speak in any intellectual discussions or scientific meetings yet no one challenges them.

If your first point is true then you should have no problem reclassifying the entire workforce to make it easier to fire bad performers. If you can’t fire anyone then yep the baby probably goes out with the bath water, you can’t have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

It's always been incredibly difficult to recruit recent grads. Tech companies pay much better than the government does. Even universities pay better.

The tech companies are RTO and many are doing RTO to reduce numbers/forced quitting and hiring freezes. There are not as many jobs as people think.

They have in-person requirements, but not 5 days/week. And there are some fully remote positions, too.

This. The norm is 3-4 days RTO for maybe 6 hours each day (with more work in the evening at home, of course). If the government tries to mandate 8.5 hours in-office, that will impose more hardship than 5 days/week for a lot of people.

Amazon is 5 days, Meta varies but is mostly hybrid, and most other tech companies are at least 4 days for revenue generating/product functions with 2-3 days being more the norm for non-revenue generating functions. I would push back on 6 hours being standard though. 9-5 is standard. Someone would be looked askance at if they were in the office from 9-3 everyday and eventually there manager would have a “read the room” discussion with them. That said, I have colleagues in the Bay Area who were told they could be remote when they started so now that they are expected to come in there is more flexibility to leave early, especially with Bay Area traffic.

Amazon’s 5 day is a four hour per day requirement. And 9-5 is different than 8:30-5 when you have kids who sleep 12 hours a night.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in the office 5 days a week. Not a fed. The transition is hard but then you will get used to it. And you may even like it. Nothing beats in person interactions. Parents these days are over involved in their kids lives any way. Do you really have to be at every single class event in elementary school. Or every single soccer game?

Do you have a stay at home spouse?

There are many dual Fed families around here, telework and schedule flexibility is a key part of how our lives makes any sense at all. In my household both parents have hour plus commutes. We have to stagger our schedules so that we’re really never home together at the same time during the week because of this. It’s a terrible way to live and raise a family.

NP but that’s par for the course for a dual income couple with young kids. We’ve never had quality adult time in the mornings and afternoons. Actually the dual Fed couples we know are better off than those of us in private bc they rarely log in at night, so they can watch movies together or chat while doing housework after the kids go to sleep.

“Rarely log in at night”. Ok now this thread is just silly.

Right??? I’m a fed manager, please remind me of the last time I didn’t work after hours.

And no it’s not par for the course at all. Most workplaces have some telework and flexibility. It’s not 1995 FFS

True but you also aren’t an hourly employee. You’re a well-paid salaried manager, with good benefits. In the private sector those types of positions often work beyond their official 40 hours, uncompensated.

and they get paid more than OP does and have access to telework.

It’s a complete Russel Vought sadistic fantasy that feds are uniquely bad teleworkers. EVERY high level knowledge job allows (or requires) work from home. Every single one.

So then, go ahead and apply to the private sector. If you all are as amazing as you claim, you will get snatched up

Some will some won’t, since there aren’t enough private firms to absorb all of the workforce in DC. Some of us will move to other cities, some of us will start our own business consulting, etc. none of that’s good for the American people. The best will leave if they can’t have some flexibility. Do you want that? And why?

The best people tend to be mission driven and resilient. Unlikely they will leave so quickly. The best people tend to be focused on the big picture and the long game. They can endure a rocky 4 years. Everyone is replaceable even if we like to think we aren’t. Many young college graduates are chomping at the bit to replace older folk. A wave of retirements might be a boost to the under thirty crowd

Sometime mission driven are hard working and innovative, when they are treated with respect and have flexibility.

Those too far from retirement will stay mission driven, do the minimum, fly under the radar.

Having served in a federal job (FDA) for over 15 years, here is what I have seen:
1. Those who stick around and are resilient are not the best employees, in fact they are the ones who are least likely to take initiatives. They are the ones who do bare minimum to justify their roles and responsibilities and would never leave their federal jobs as they know they won’t survive in the private sector. The federal job is a safe haven for them as the likelihood of getting fired in a federal job is close to zero.
2. There are several 65+ senior citizens in the federal jobs at FDA who would literally die from their work. No they are not the most passionate or mission driven individuals. The federal job for them is an easy job, involving minimum efforts, hardly working for few hours a day, answerable to none, zero transparency. So, why leaving the freely available salary and benefits. Note that these are also some of the highest paid federal employees.
3. Another interesting observation: there are a lot of USPHS employees at FDA (and other federal agencies). Most of these hardly go for any deployment in case of natural disasters or emergencies as they join USPHS for the attractive salaries and perks. After completing 20 years of USPHS service, they take retirement and join the federal government service in the same role that they had been doing prior to the retirement from USPHS. So now these folks not only enjoy retirement benefits from USPHS, but also a federal govt salary. Thus Gaming the system. Do you think such employees will ever quit the federal job?
4. This leads me to my last comment. Who will leave the federal job? Only the best employees who will never get a chance to prosper in the federal job as the growth opportunities are blocked by those senior citizens and USPHS employees sitting in the management positions who aren’t driven by the mission but by the easy money they can make in their federal roles without anyone checking on their work. I haven’t heard most of these managers speak in any intellectual discussions or scientific meetings yet no one challenges them.

If your first point is true then you should have no problem reclassifying the entire workforce to make it easier to fire bad performers. If you can’t fire anyone then yep the baby probably goes out with the bath water, you can’t have it both ways.

Many feds want to make it easier to fire based on performance, combined with making it easier to hire.

That's not at all how this is going to play out.

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To the FDA poster with the list, some stay because duties only apply to the federal government; Acts, laws and regulations. Sure I’m analytical and good at creating spreadsheets in excel, but that’s not enough so I stay put.

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Bloomberg many years ago when mayor of NY said workers are most productive years 3-7 when they are there long enough to master job but. It long enough to be burnt out.

Under that logic the majority of the older lifetime Fed and State workers are overpaid and less productive so does it matter if they leave?

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Anonymous wrote:Bloomberg many years ago when mayor of NY said workers are most productive years 3-7 when they are there long enough to master job but. It long enough to be burnt out.

Under that logic the majority of the older lifetime Fed and State workers are overpaid and less productive so does it matter if they leave?

There is no data to support that. He just made it up.

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How is 830-5 significantly different than 9-5?

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My dad worked for the fed govt in the 80s and 90s and left our house at 5:00 am to drive a vanpool van from PWC to DC. He would
be home around 4 pm, except once a
month when then whole vanpool donated blood in order to get to leave work two hours early. This was a normal commuting schedule in our MC neighborhood for federal workers.