Does DCPS care? New model shows even with masks, 40% of students will still be infected with Delta

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Citation needed. No they are not.

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare. I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease. There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before."

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Not a lot. Just not misrepresenting articles, linking to activist blogs, and relying on one oral statement.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Citation needed. No they are not.

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare. I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease. There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before."

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

*oops, it was 71,726 not 77,000.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Citation needed. No they are not.

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare. I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease. There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before."

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Citation needed. No they are not.

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare. I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease. There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before."

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

just because you don't like it...

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Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.
*in the past 18 months. My statement about med journals editorials aging poorly was narrowed to this pandemic.

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Talk to your trusted pediatricians, folks.

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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.

If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."

It's just a fact that it isn't.

Right.
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.

No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish.

That makes no sense. Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas.

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT.

Citation needed. No they are not.

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare. I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease. There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before."

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

*oops, it was 71,726 not 77,000.

I personally look at articles that use layman’s language, as they are more useful to me. Those are sources that often discuss primary research, and are in venues not known to print lies.

Also: lol at critiquing sources when you have one oral statement and an incorrectly-described journal article. And then throwing out a BMJ article for no reason other than you don’t like it.

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Anonymous wrote:Swann’s research shows that even with universal masks, 40% of elementary students will be infected with Delta IN THREE MONTHS.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-31/what-the-delta-variant-development-means-for-unvaccinated-kids

What I am seeing in this forum is parents refusing to test with their kid has “just a cold,” refusing asymptomatic testing, lying about travel so they don’t have to quarantine, etc. There is no distancing, no plan to upgrade ventilation, no mandatory teacher vaccinations, etc.

Has DCPS just given up?

Teacher, I am sorry but you have to go back to work in person!

DP, but no need to be so rude.

I am a teacher who is fully expecting and ready to go back. What I’m not ready for is the DCPS clusterf that’s going to happen as soon as cases start popping up in schools. Are we going to be teaching concurrently? Going back and forth between IPL and virtual? I’m glad that all of these families believe that DCPS has implemented or is planning to implement all of these mitigation strategies, but they haven’t. Be prepared for things to get really weird for kids in the fall and when they do maybe don’t be so quick to blame the teachers.

I'm the PP that posted the long quote. I totally agree that September to December is going to be like a school wide chicken pox party. Everyone will get exposed and it will be a few months of constant positive tests and quarantines. But hopefully it will come on strong and die down quickly. I'm sorry DCPS hasn't prepared teachers more for contingency plans when classrooms quarantine, but this parent understands it's not your fault and I strongly believe that even with quarantines, 8 weeks of IPL and 2 weeks of nothing is better than 10 weeks of virtual. It will be a mess for parents who have been forced back in the office, but it is what it is.

Except COVID is not like the chicken pox

It is in the sense of the contagiousness of Delta is comparable to the chicken pox, where the previous variants were much less contagious. Hence the reference to pox parties. Put everyone in a room and let them get exposed at once to get it out of the way. And children die from chicken pox, just very very rarely, like with COVID.

And then 50 years from they can get whatever the COVID equivalent of shingles. Sounds like a real fun idea!

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I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

just because you don't like it...

No, not just because I don't like it. Just because exactly the week it was published, kids hospitalizations in the UK exploded, up and up for 6+ weeks, and have only started to come down in the past week because schools closed for the summer. Here, we are seeing cases exploding, hospitalizations rising, and we haven't opened schools yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Swann’s research shows that even with universal masks, 40% of elementary students will be infected with Delta IN THREE MONTHS.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-31/what-the-delta-variant-development-means-for-unvaccinated-kids

What I am seeing in this forum is parents refusing to test with their kid has “just a cold,” refusing asymptomatic testing, lying about travel so they don’t have to quarantine, etc. There is no distancing, no plan to upgrade ventilation, no mandatory teacher vaccinations, etc.

Has DCPS just given up?

Teacher, I am sorry but you have to go back to work in person!

DP, but no need to be so rude.

I am a teacher who is fully expecting and ready to go back. What I’m not ready for is the DCPS clusterf that’s going to happen as soon as cases start popping up in schools. Are we going to be teaching concurrently? Going back and forth between IPL and virtual? I’m glad that all of these families believe that DCPS has implemented or is planning to implement all of these mitigation strategies, but they haven’t. Be prepared for things to get really weird for kids in the fall and when they do maybe don’t be so quick to blame the teachers.

I'm the PP that posted the long quote. I totally agree that September to December is going to be like a school wide chicken pox party. Everyone will get exposed and it will be a few months of constant positive tests and quarantines. But hopefully it will come on strong and die down quickly. I'm sorry DCPS hasn't prepared teachers more for contingency plans when classrooms quarantine, but this parent understands it's not your fault and I strongly believe that even with quarantines, 8 weeks of IPL and 2 weeks of nothing is better than 10 weeks of virtual. It will be a mess for parents who have been forced back in the office, but it is what it is.

Except COVID is not like the chicken pox

It is in the sense of the contagiousness of Delta is comparable to the chicken pox, where the previous variants were much less contagious. Hence the reference to pox parties. Put everyone in a room and let them get exposed at once to get it out of the way. And children die from chicken pox, just very very rarely, like with COVID.

And then 50 years from they can get whatever the COVID equivalent of shingles. Sounds like a real fun idea!

You know that most viruses don't act like that.

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I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

just because you don't like it...

No, not just because I don't like it. Just because exactly the week it was published, kids hospitalizations in the UK exploded, up and up for 6+ weeks, and have only started to come down in the past week because schools closed for the summer. Here, we are seeing cases exploding, hospitalizations rising, and we haven't opened schools yet.

1. You are still quoting Long Covid Kids
2. We need to see the data or the reports these were taken from
3. Really lacking denominators here.

[Anonymous]

These threads always seem to go like this:

OP: ALARMING THING

Responses: ok let’s look at that…..
Responses: discussion, some agreement, some disagreement
Responses: “I am not alarmed the same way as you, for these reasons”

Response: you are bad parents if you are not in agreement with my level of alarm

Response: anger that everyone is not alarmed

Continue until we just reach ad hominem.

What is your goal, OP? If it is to alert DCPS, are you taking your concerns to them? Are you asking people to write to their council reps? What is the thing you would like to see from posting the study?

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I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

just because you don't like it...

No, not just because I don't like it. Just because exactly the week it was published, kids hospitalizations in the UK exploded, up and up for 6+ weeks, and have only started to come down in the past week because schools closed for the summer. Here, we are seeing cases exploding, hospitalizations rising, and we haven't opened schools yet.

1. You are still quoting Long Covid Kids
2. We need to see the data or the reports these were taken from
3. Really lacking denominators here.

Raw data from NHS that is used for these figures.
https://api.coronavirus.data.gov.uk/v2/data?areaType=nation&areaCode=E92000001&metric=newCasesBySpecimenDateAgeDemographics&format=csv

https://api.coronavirus.data.gov.uk/v2/data?areaType=nation&areaCode=E92000001&metric=cumAdmissionsByAge&format=csv

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I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans. Certainly that is troubling. It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence. It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page

I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy.
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....

Wait are you saying you are more inclined to listen to Dr. Kline's interview statements than an editorial in BMJ with citations? Having been involved in writing editorials for major journals in other disciplines, like Nature, I can tell you that they don't just let anyone write, and there is a review process.

There have been plenty of instances of prestigious medical journals publishing editorials that did not age well. This one is less than 8 weeks old, and it isn't aging well.

just because you don't like it...

No, not just because I don't like it. Just because exactly the week it was published, kids hospitalizations in the UK exploded, up and up for 6+ weeks, and have only started to come down in the past week because schools closed for the summer. Here, we are seeing cases exploding, hospitalizations rising, and we haven't opened schools yet.

1. You are still quoting Long Covid Kids
2. We need to see the data or the reports these were taken from
3. Really lacking denominators here.

Raw data from NHS that is used for these figures.
https://api.coronavirus.data.gov.uk/v2/data?areaType=nation&areaCode=E92000001&metric=newCasesBySpecimenDateAgeDemographics&format=csv

https://api.coronavirus.data.gov.uk/v2/data?areaType=nation&areaCode=E92000001&metric=cumAdmissionsByAge&format=csv

Ah completely decontextualized. I am sure that you have definitely done your own statistical analysis. You don't fool anyone by simply spitting out links that mean nothing to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These threads always seem to go like this:

OP: ALARMING THING

Responses: ok let’s look at that…..
Responses: discussion, some agreement, some disagreement
Responses: “I am not alarmed the same way as you, for these reasons”

Response: you are bad parents if you are not in agreement with my level of alarm

Response: anger that everyone is not alarmed

Continue until we just reach ad hominem.

What is your goal, OP? If it is to alert DCPS, are you taking your concerns to them? Are you asking people to write to their council reps? What is the thing you would like to see from posting the study?

I honestly think that some people live on panic and prefer to spread it around. If you gin up panic among other people, you don't always have to examine your own anxiety. I feel bad for people like that.