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I remember some serious mitigation measures at sleep away camp when a camper was diagnosed with chicken pox a couple of days into it in the mid-80ies. Those were not parties. They took it extremely seriously, but that was forty years ago. They didn't need to do 1917-type masking because it wasn't a deadly pandemic, but they didn't have access to the rapid tests and abundance of masks we have in 2021. There is no excuse for this.   [/quote]

This is not a "deadly pandemic" for the under 12s.[/quote]
If I had just written "they didn't have access to the abundance of masks we have in 2021", I'm pretty sure the tit-for-tat snarky retort would have been "Well in 1917 they figured out a way to mask up."[/quote]

It's just a fact that it isn't.[/quote]

Right. 
Yet, it's enough of a health risk to unvaccinated children and society at large that masks in school mostly mandated. School mask mandates are necessary but not sufficient, hence OP's alarm.
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No, it’s a large enough health risk to ONLY society at large, specifically the segment of society that is choosing not to protect themselves (immune compromised aside, sorry y’all). I could not care less anymore about that segment of society, but particularly when they force children to shoulder the burden of their selfish choices.[/quote]

This is where you lose me. Doctors and scientists are sounding the alarm on Delta in children. The latest stats are 1 in 22 children infected have long term symptoms. That’s very concerning, when you are talking about a highly transmissible virus. We should be working together to pressure DCPS to implement every mitigation strategy possible. Pretending children are not at risk is foolish. [/quote]

That makes no sense.  Delta hasnt been around long enough for there to be any data on long term impact.[/quote]

Correct. All we know is that it appears to be making kids sicker and requiring more hospitalizations, per reports of doctors in high spread areas. [/quote]

Infects more kids and requiring more hospitalizations is not the same as being more virulent, to be clear.[/quote]

True. Virologists/epidemiologists are saying they believe it is more VIRULENT. [/quote]

Citation needed.  No they are not.[/quote]

Sure, here's ONE example, of many. Dr. Mark Kline Physician-in-Chief at Children's Hospital New Orleans, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHf_mr_uno

"The Delta variant of COVID is every infectious disease specialist and epidemiologist worst nightmare.  I don't think as Americans in our lifetime we have ever seen an organism that possesses the dual characteristics of contagiousness that this virus has together with the virulence - the ability to produce disease.  There was a myth that circulated during the first year of the pandemic that children somehow were immune. We know that those were fallacies all along, but particularly now that the Delta variant has emerged it has become very clear that children are being heavily impacted by this organism and by this pandemic at this point, more than ever before." [/quote]

I know Dr. Kline is talking about the number of pediatric ICU patients increasing in recent weeks in New Orleans.  Certainly that is troubling.  It's not evidence, though, that there is a relevant increase in virulence.  It still might be evidence that covid is more transmissible (more cases x same virulence = more hospitalizations).

Here's many articles that suggest otherwise, including ones looking at delta in UK:  https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/990789.page
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I'm having a hard time finding scientific articles in that thread.
I see NYTimes, Slate, Guardian, DW, nbc news, npr, time, fortune,
Forbes (admittedly it does discuss an AAP report that states that the last week has added 77,000 seventy-seven thousand more positive children),

BMJ is a medical journal, but the link is to an editorial form mid-June that says 'nothing to see here, most kids coming into the hospital with covid are coming i for broken bones' - contrast that with Dr. Kline's statement, or today's statement by the Surgeon General.
A lot of posters' opinions minimizing the threat, then it's kid vaccine hesitancy. 
You demand a LOT of support to posters' statements (and to statements posters haven't made "prove delta is worse in kids than in adults!") but that linked thread....  [/quote]

*oops, it was 71,726 not 77,000. [/quote]

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