Why won't people address the massage shootings as the mental health issue rather than racism?

[Anonymous]

WaPo had an article on the shooter yesterday. After read the article, I cannot see any evidence that indicate he belongs to and associates to radical groups. I done remember the writer who wrote the article but I hope she or he continues their research and publish fellow up story, or they should be canceled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

The killer allegedly shouted something to the effect, “I am gonna kill Asians.” This is from one of the witnesses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:6 out 8 victims were asian = racism

But when an Asian VA tech shooter kills 24-25 white people out of a total of 32 victims it isn't racism?


Can't have it both ways..

Dumb. He went to Asian spas and killed Asian women who worked there. Two white customers were also killed. He didn’t shoot whatever random people he encountered. He targeted Asian women spa workers.

But you just said 25% were not Asian. There were actually 3 non-Asians but one survived. So 33%.

I am pretty sure Hitler also did a number on non-Jews. So, that’s a proof he wasn’t anti-Semite, that all he needed was a shrink?

There was plenty of evidence he was anti Semitic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

You probably live under a rock.

I’m fairly tuned in. I don’t understand why the insistence that this is a racial hate crime before evidence is collected. I agree it might be. But the evidence hasn’t been presented yet and there are other factors that explain the majority of victims’ identities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

What do you mean by "obsessed"? Do you mean you're feelings are hurt and you're emotionally spent because you now have to think about your whiteness and how that whiteness plays a role in a highly radicalized society? Because welcome to my life. As an Asian American woman, I have never had the luxury of NOT thinking about my race or my sex. We are not "unconsciously" forcing racial narratives when we personally have experienced decades of racist and misogynistic comments from white men, when we have seen an exponential rise in crimes against Asian Americans with the rise of Trump and his racist dog-whistles, and when we see a white man blame his Christian evangelical Southern Baptist-informed "sex addition" on fetishized Asian women to justify his murder of six of them in a deeply racist southern state. It's appalling to me that you not only fail to connect the dots, but that you refuse to admit the likely pattern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

The killer allegedly shouted something to the effect, “I am gonna kill Asians.” This is from one of the witnesses.

That is an uncorroborate report from a Korean newspaper. Also, the narrative that this was racially motivated emerged before that Korean report. The point is that we immediately jump to race as the primary motivator before the facts come out. Most people on this are positive that this all about race. Even those who may admit misogyny are ignoring the very real connection among misogyny, sex addiction and mental health. And who here even considered the class implications of low income sex workers forced into illegal activities to pay the rent while dealing with abusive men? That's a story as old as Jack the Ripper, yet we are mostlt ignoring it.

Every story has multiple narratives. But we prefer racial narratives to dominate over others whenever possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

You probably live under a rock.

I’m fairly tuned in. I don’t understand why the insistence that this is a racial hate crime before evidence is collected. I agree it might be. But the evidence hasn’t been presented yet and there are other factors that explain the majority of victims’ identities.

Some people are just slow on the uptake when it comes to being on the right side of history. Genuinely curious - if you had lived in the past, given what you know about who you are and your point of view, how long would it have taken you to admit that Jim Crow laws were racist? That segregation of schools was wrong? That Hitler was an anti-Semite? Would you have ever admitted to these things, or would have waited until it was too late?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

The killer allegedly shouted something to the effect, “I am gonna kill Asians.” This is from one of the witnesses.

That is an uncorroborate report from a Korean newspaper. Also, the narrative that this was racially motivated emerged before that Korean report. The point is that we immediately jump to race as the primary motivator before the facts come out. Most people on this are positive that this all about race. Even those who may admit misogyny are ignoring the very real connection among misogyny, sex addiction and mental health. And who here even considered the class implications of low income sex workers forced into illegal activities to pay the rent while dealing with abusive men? That's a story as old as Jack the Ripper, yet we are mostlt ignoring it.

Every story has multiple narratives. But we prefer racial narratives to dominate over others whenever possible.

Actually, Asian American advocates are clear that this is about race, gender, and class. Keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WaPo had an article on the shooter yesterday. After read the article, I cannot see any evidence that indicate he belongs to and associates to radical groups. I done remember the writer who wrote the article but I hope she or he continues their research and publish fellow up story, or they should be canceled.

LOL. So much butt hurt.

Sorry, your racist buddies are getting called out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

What do you mean by "obsessed"? Do you mean you're feelings are hurt and you're emotionally spent because you now have to think about your whiteness and how that whiteness plays a role in a highly radicalized society? Because welcome to my life. As an Asian American woman, I have never had the luxury of NOT thinking about my race or my sex. We are not "unconsciously" forcing racial narratives when we personally have experienced decades of racist and misogynistic comments from white men, when we have seen an exponential rise in crimes against Asian Americans with the rise of Trump and his racist dog-whistles, and when we see a white man blame his Christian evangelical Southern Baptist-informed "sex addition" on fetishized Asian women to justify his murder of six of them in a deeply racist southern state. It's appalling to me that you not only fail to connect the dots, but that you refuse to admit the likely pattern.

No, I mean exactly what I said and no more than that. I don't care about your identity and you know about or don't care about mine. So quit making your identity the issue on an anonymous website.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

You probably live under a rock.

I’m fairly tuned in. I don’t understand why the insistence that this is a racial hate crime before evidence is collected. I agree it might be. But the evidence hasn’t been presented yet and there are other factors that explain the majority of victims’ identities.

Some people are just slow on the uptake when it comes to being on the right side of history. Genuinely curious - if you had lived in the past, given what you know about who you are and your point of view, how long would it have taken you to admit that Jim Crow laws were racist? That segregation of schools was wrong? That Hitler was an anti-Semite? Would you have ever admitted to these things, or would have waited until it was too late?

DP. What you don't realize about history is that if you yourself had lived in the past, you would have made the same assumptions everyone else in your race, educational background and class made, without even realizing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:6 out 8 victims were asian = racism

But when an Asian VA tech shooter kills 24-25 white people out of a total of 32 victims it isn't racism?


Can't have it both ways..

Dumb. He went to Asian spas and killed Asian women who worked there. Two white customers were also killed. He didn’t shoot whatever random people he encountered. He targeted Asian women spa workers.

But you just said 25% were not Asian. There were actually 3 non-Asians but one survived. So 33%.

I am pretty sure Hitler also did a number on non-Jews. So, that’s a proof he wasn’t anti-Semite, that all he needed was a shrink?

There was plenty of evidence he was anti Semitic.

Did they interview H’s Jewish mistress or mistresses? I am sure they have different recollections. “He was a swell guy.“ “He was a great lover.” “He took care of his needs - but also mine!” “And he was a lover with artistic sensitivity! Just look at his art work.”

To be “fair” do you really have to hear both sides? For me, hearing from 6M+ people is sufficient. I don’t need to humanize Hitler.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

You probably live under a rock.

I’m fairly tuned in. I don’t understand why the insistence that this is a racial hate crime before evidence is collected. I agree it might be. But the evidence hasn’t been presented yet and there are other factors that explain the majority of victims’ identities.

Some people are just slow on the uptake when it comes to being on the right side of history. Genuinely curious - if you had lived in the past, given what you know about who you are and your point of view, how long would it have taken you to admit that Jim Crow laws were racist? That segregation of schools was wrong? That Hitler was an anti-Semite? Would you have ever admitted to these things, or would have waited until it was too late?

DP. What you don't realize about history is that if you yourself had lived in the past, you would have made the same assumptions everyone else in your race, educational background and class made, without even realizing it.

Given that I am a women from a minority group, I doubt I would have had the same experiences as you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The recent wave of crimes against Asians is the worst in the last thirty years as far as I remembered. Yet very few of these crimes are classified as hate crimes. I have yet to see an announcement from FBI that they are investing the massage shooting to find out if this is a hate crime.

Aren’t there certain markers of hate crimes that need to be in evidence to classify? Are all crimes hate crimes?

In order to control public outrage, isn’t it better to say there is no evidence of a hate crime if it’s the truth? It doesn’t mean they won’t bring evidence to light if it’s found.

You mean, it’s better for white audiences to hear that a white man doesn’t seem to have committed a racially motivated crime? Because that is not what Asian Americans and women want to hear.

Not saying that. But why do groups *want* to hear their group is a target of something if the evidence isn’t there (yet)? I can’t understand that.

Our society is totally obsessed by race. That may be natural in any society with a long history of racism, but it also means we unconsciously forcing racial narratives when the evidence doesn't warrant it. The only evidence we think we need is the race of the victims and that's that.

What do you mean by "obsessed"? Do you mean you're feelings are hurt and you're emotionally spent because you now have to think about your whiteness and how that whiteness plays a role in a highly radicalized society? Because welcome to my life. As an Asian American woman, I have never had the luxury of NOT thinking about my race or my sex. We are not "unconsciously" forcing racial narratives when we personally have experienced decades of racist and misogynistic comments from white men, when we have seen an exponential rise in crimes against Asian Americans with the rise of Trump and his racist dog-whistles, and when we see a white man blame his Christian evangelical Southern Baptist-informed "sex addition" on fetishized Asian women to justify his murder of six of them in a deeply racist southern state. It's appalling to me that you not only fail to connect the dots, but that you refuse to admit the likely pattern.

No, I mean exactly what I said and no more than that. I don't care about your identity and you know about or don't care about mine. So quit making your identity the issue on an anonymous website.

Oh, I'm sorry, does having to confront the actual experiences of Asian American women make you feel bad? Does it make you feel uncomfortable? Oh dear. Go lie down and rest. Tomorrow is another day.