To kill a mockingbird at SR

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Anonymous wrote:I am personally tired of being told by those who have never experienced racism, what racism is or feels like. Those who choose to remain willfully ignorant are the problem. The frequent fieldtrips to Mt. Vernon with the gleeful tour of the slave quarters where the true conditions of slavery are down played to the reading of TKPMB

Gleeful tour of the slave quarters? Please expand on this.

I have been on multiple fieldtrips with my younger children to both Mt. Vernon and Monticello. On one trip the statement was made by another parent, "These were the good ole days when meals were freshly made." Also, tours of the quarters never focus or discuss the hardship of slavery, but had the talking points of how slaves were creative and made do with what they had to make life pleasant as possible. The tour guides are fixated on the architecture, gifts that remain in the house from foreign governments, and other details that are note worthy, but take away from the true history of how the plantation operated. Oh, and the cherry on top for Monticello is how Thomas Jefferson was truly conflicted over slavery parting speech. Yet, no acknowledgement of Sally Hemmings or how he failed to grant freedom of his slaves in his will upon his death. These historic landmarks don't address the ugly history or paint an accurate picture of the history.

Personally we should demolish both Mount Vernon and Monticello. They are disgusting monuments to two evil slave owners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good question, why has the debate devolved?

Because there is no debate. Everything is on shifting sand, and if you try and make a point against antiracism, you are told you don't understand, or you are misrepresenting, or you are being......racist.

You cannot win this debate. It is designed to be unwinnable.

You are ultra sensitive and refuse to receive any information that may conflict with what you have convinced yourself of. Continue to walk in the dark and be oblivious of others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I started this thread with ambivalence; TKAM is a good book that helped move the race conversation along during the 1960s-1990s, but had no problem if schools want to replace with another worthwhile book.

But now, seeing that the most strident defenders of TKAM here are openly arguing for confederate soldier statues and taking other similarly offensive positions, I realize that if people like that are promoting TKAM, it’s probably no longer representative of the race conversation our country should be having. This has allowed me to rethink my earlier ambivalence and shed some of the nostalgia the book carries for me.

I’m thinking time has passed TKAM by. While it was a powerful book for where our country was in the decades after its release, and therefore moving for many of us who read it as children in that era, it’s now a lot less foreword-thinking in light of where our national conversation on race has grown. So it’s more of a historical artifact of the past, and offensive in lots of ways, sort of like Gone with the Wind.

First of all, I didn't see anyone defending keeping up Confederate Statues who also defend TKAM. I am one of those people who think it is a worthwhile read and also agree that the Confederate statues, names of streets, buildings etc have to go.
By not reading this material or talking about slavery does not mean that it did not happen. Black men were murdered because of being Black. I think by studying it does not mean you think it was a positive experience! It happened and is history. We should know our history or we are doomed to repeat.

Plenty of other books can allow us to “know our history” regarding race: Invisible Man, Native Son, Roots, Beloved, Roots, etc etc etc.

So only the Black view is acceptable? Yes, read those books but dont stop reading TKAM.

And for those who say read it on your own schools are great places to force you to read things you normally dont. A lot of parents dont have time to fill in the gaps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good question, why has the debate devolved?

Because there is no debate. Everything is on shifting sand, and if you try and make a point against antiracism, you are told you don't understand, or you are misrepresenting, or you are being......racist.

You cannot win this debate. It is designed to be unwinnable.

You are ultra sensitive and refuse to receive any information that may conflict with what you have convinced yourself of. Continue to walk in the dark and be oblivious of others.

Simply not true. I am quite prepared to open my mind to other points of view, I only ask that they are communicated with clarity and objectivity.

Dismissing someone's viewpoint, which is held with goodwill and positive intent, by telling them they are walking in the dark is just ridiculous. How do you expect people to take any of this seriously if that is how you approach it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am personally tired of being told by those who have never experienced racism, what racism is or feels like. Those who choose to remain willfully ignorant are the problem. The frequent fieldtrips to Mt. Vernon with the gleeful tour of the slave quarters where the true conditions of slavery are down played to the reading of TKPMB

Gleeful tour of the slave quarters? Please expand on this.

I have been on multiple fieldtrips with my younger children to both Mt. Vernon and Monticello. On one trip the statement was made by another parent, "These were the good ole days when meals were freshly made." Also, tours of the quarters never focus or discuss the hardship of slavery, but had the talking points of how slaves were creative and made do with what they had to make life pleasant as possible. The tour guides are fixated on the architecture, gifts that remain in the house from foreign governments, and other details that are note worthy, but take away from the true history of how the plantation operated. Oh, and the cherry on top for Monticello is how Thomas Jefferson was truly conflicted over slavery parting speech. Yet, no acknowledgement of Sally Hemmings or how he failed to grant freedom of his slaves in his will upon his death. These historic landmarks don't address the ugly history or paint an accurate picture of the history.

Personally we should demolish both Mount Vernon and Monticello. They are disgusting monuments to two evil slave owners.

You are ridiculous. You should move to China where they constanly erase history. George Washington was more than a slave owner. America succeeed because of him and Jefferson.

Grow up. Humans are not imperfect and slavery was wrong but you are ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I started this thread with ambivalence; TKAM is a good book that helped move the race conversation along during the 1960s-1990s, but had no problem if schools want to replace with another worthwhile book.

But now, seeing that the most strident defenders of TKAM here are openly arguing for confederate soldier statues and taking other similarly offensive positions, I realize that if people like that are promoting TKAM, it’s probably no longer representative of the race conversation our country should be having. This has allowed me to rethink my earlier ambivalence and shed some of the nostalgia the book carries for me.

I’m thinking time has passed TKAM by. While it was a powerful book for where our country was in the decades after its release, and therefore moving for many of us who read it as children in that era, it’s now a lot less foreword-thinking in light of where our national conversation on race has grown. So it’s more of a historical artifact of the past, and offensive in lots of ways, sort of like Gone with the Wind.

First of all, I didn't see anyone defending keeping up Confederate Statues who also defend TKAM. I am one of those people who think it is a worthwhile read and also agree that the Confederate statues, names of streets, buildings etc have to go.
By not reading this material or talking about slavery does not mean that it did not happen. Black men were murdered because of being Black. I think by studying it does not mean you think it was a positive experience! It happened and is history. We should know our history or we are doomed to repeat.

Plenty of other books can allow us to “know our history” regarding race: Invisible Man, Native Son, Roots, Beloved, Roots, etc etc etc.

So only the Black view is acceptable? Yes, read those books but dont stop reading TKAM.

And for those who say read it on your own schools are great places to force you to read things you normally dont. A lot of parents dont have time to fill in the gaps.

Stone Ridge isn't suggesting that anyone stop reading TKAM. They are choosing to stop teaching it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Personally we should demolish both Mount Vernon and Monticello. They are disgusting monuments to two evil slave owners.

You are ridiculous. You should move to China where they constanly erase history. George Washington was more than a slave owner. America succeeed because of him and Jefferson.

Grow up. Humans are not imperfect and slavery was wrong but you are ignorant.

I was being ironic and sarcastic.....thank you for making my point for me.

Ridiculous is the right word.

[Anonymous]

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Stone Ridge isn't suggesting that anyone stop reading TKAM. They are choosing to stop teaching it.

Can someone post the email? I'd love to see exactly what they said.

[Anonymous]

The post that I am seeing are quite unsettling. This county has spoon fed minorities white history in education ever since desegregation of schools. Less than 3% of the curriculum in common core highlights black, latino , and native American history. It typically is the same story of the first Thanksgiving (Native American history check), MLK (check), and if you are lucky Caesar Chavez (partial check).
Then you get told the story of how slavery was a needed evil to sustain America and Lincoln came in and freed them with thanks. This country is now dealing with the misleading of its historical teachings. Literature needs to be balanced to give a full story of the truth not only from the oppressor, but from the oppressed as well.

[Anonymous]

What school did you go to? Wow

[Anonymous]

History is written by victors.

If the antiracists become mainstream, history will be rewritten accordingly.

That's how it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Personally we should demolish both Mount Vernon and Monticello. They are disgusting monuments to two evil slave owners.

You are ridiculous. You should move to China where they constanly erase history. George Washington was more than a slave owner. America succeeed because of him and Jefferson.

Grow up. Humans are not imperfect and slavery was wrong but you are ignorant.

I was being ironic and sarcastic.....thank you for making my point for me.

Ridiculous is the right word.

Now how was I supposed to read ironic or sarcastic from what you wrote? You are wrong so now you are typically saying " its a joke!"

You weren't joking. Stop gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Personally we should demolish both Mount Vernon and Monticello. They are disgusting monuments to two evil slave owners.

You are ridiculous. You should move to China where they constanly erase history. George Washington was more than a slave owner. America succeeed because of him and Jefferson.

Grow up. Humans are not imperfect and slavery was wrong but you are ignorant.

I was being ironic and sarcastic.....thank you for making my point for me.

Ridiculous is the right word.

Now how was I supposed to read ironic or sarcastic from what you wrote? You are wrong so now you are typically saying " its a joke!"

You weren't joking. Stop gaslighting.

Maybe because it was an insane suggestion?

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Why is it necessary to send a letter to parents informing them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it necessary to send a letter to parents informing them?

It's not. But if you want to earn DEI points, it serves a purpose.