To kill a mockingbird at SR

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One of the clearest signs of wokeness is being unable to address the issues, instead to attack those who disagree with you.

Wokeness is abjectly stupid, and if you have a problem with that I can't help you.

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Google it, educate yourself. But the whole point of not teaching it is because it will most likely be taught the way you understand it, which is old and out of date.

No, that's not good enough. That is not an adequate answer in the context of a debate.

Explain your premise. Nobody knows what you mean by an "80s idea of the novel". You need to explain what you mean by using facts and examples.

There are many thoughtful posts in this thread that show a willingness to listen and learn.

Conversely, there are posts like yours which are insulting, generalized, and ignorant.

Telling someone to Google something is the usual response of those who either don't know or can't explain.

Here is a “taste” and here is the problem with white people they refuse to educate themselves, they put the burden on others. DO.THE.WORK.YOURSELF

WORK ON YOURSELF.

I'm the poster who was initially told to "educate" myself. I haven't responded until now, and I thank the other posters who tried to ask for an explanation to the "80s" comment. I see now we aren't going to get anywhere. I was sincerely interested in finding out why my interpretation was "old." I understand a newer interpretation may be that Atticus is the "white savior," but we discussed that back when I read it... in the 90s, not 80s... and dismissed it. Atticus learns in the novel. He grows. He doesn't save anybody. If anything, his experiences save him and he handles the Boo Radley narrative at the end better because of them.
I'm willing to learn. I'm not willing to be treated rudely. I also see *major* misinterpretations in these responses. Tom Robinson is not pushed to the side of the story, as little as a mockingbird. We don't shoot mockingbirds because they are innocent and do nothing to harm society. When Tom is shot, innocence was shot. It's a symbol... a major one.

Google why white women turn every lesson about racism into them being the victim and act indignant like you are right now. Stop pretending you are a victim here. Being educated may feel uncomfortable but stop with this I’m am feeling attacked BS. You could start with White Fragility and “educate yourself”

There is literally no person here claiming they are victims. We are discussing the merits of the book. Maybe you should think why your first reaction is calling white women racist. Kinda ironic, don't you think? Debate the issues, please. The book, brings up many uncomfortable moments and I think that is good. White Fragility has been proven it is bunk written by someone who wants to make lots of money. Read this review from a Black author from the Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/



Have you written why TKAM is no longer relevant? Why are you afraid of having kids assigned this book? And bonus points if you don't attack white people just for the sake of attacking white people.

There is literally no person calling that person racist, they said victim (I will not be treated rudely) when nobody was rude they just offered a different opinion.

Stop attacking posters snd debate the issue. If taught properly the “Scalia” level families would lose their mind.

The racism was implied. And I am discussing the issue. You just don't like listening to other people's opinions.

Nope. You assume every times somebody tries to explain something from another perspective (POC) you think you are being called racist. Also you are super fragile about it, people should not have to walk on eggshells talking about their own experience because it makes you feel attacked, stop internalizing every comment.

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Anonymous wrote:Students of color learn nothing from being forced to read this white savior narrative. Worse yet they are forced to listen to the n word over and over. Just because it meant something to you once upon a time as a white person does not mean that it is a good choice for students today. This is well documented. I am white FWIW. Stone Ridge is moving in the right direction. Well done.

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the clearest signs of wokeness is being unable to address the issues, instead to attack those who disagree with you.

Wokeness is abjectly stupid, and if you have a problem with that I can't help you.

What is this even supposed to mean? How do we properly address the issue? If we agree that TKAM does not need to be taught in class is that addressing the issue? Or do we need to agree that is has to be taught in order to address the issue?

You obviously have a problem with "wokeness" My guess is you also rail against political correctness too.

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Wokeness means every book is judged on how well it pushes the progressive narrative. That means all black characters must be beyond reproach and all white characters (especially Christian ones) are evil. It also means America and Judeo-Christian culture can’t ever be seen as having contributed anything positive to the world, whereas all other cultures are praised no matter how flawed they are.

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Ironic, considering Rose Philippine Duchesne attempted to bring Christianity to the native Americans, something decidedly "unwoke".

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Anonymous wrote:Wokeness means every book is judged on how well it pushes the progressive narrative. That means all black characters must be beyond reproach and all white characters (especially Christian ones) are evil. It also means America and Judeo-Christian culture can’t ever be seen as having contributed anything positive to the world, whereas all other cultures are praised no matter how flawed they are.

I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous exaggeration of what "woke" is. This is your definition of woke, which is pretty far detached from reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Wokeness means every book is judged on how well it pushes the progressive narrative. That means all black characters must be beyond reproach and all white characters (especially Christian ones) are evil. It also means America and Judeo-Christian culture can’t ever be seen as having contributed anything positive to the world, whereas all other cultures are praised no matter how flawed they are.

Wow. Who knew white peoples were so hypersensitive. Talk about snowflakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Wokeness means every book is judged on how well it pushes the progressive narrative. That means all black characters must be beyond reproach and all white characters (especially Christian ones) are evil. It also means America and Judeo-Christian culture can’t ever be seen as having contributed anything positive to the world, whereas all other cultures are praised no matter how flawed they are.

Wow. Who knew white peoples were so hypersensitive. Talk about snowflakes.

This is why they are not teaching TKAM the fragile conservatives will freak out of their kids learn their hero Atticus is racist and it’s a white savior novel that has not stood the test of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Wokeness means every book is judged on how well it pushes the progressive narrative. That means all black characters must be beyond reproach and all white characters (especially Christian ones) are evil. It also means America and Judeo-Christian culture can’t ever be seen as having contributed anything positive to the world, whereas all other cultures are praised no matter how flawed they are.

Wow. Who knew white peoples were so hypersensitive. Talk about snowflakes.

This is why they are not teaching TKAM the fragile conservatives will freak out of their kids learn their hero Atticus is racist and it’s a white savior novel that has not stood the test of time.

Seems to me that as a catholic school, what Stone Ridge decides to teach is a matter of religious Liberty. Why are you trying to deny them their freedom?

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Seems to me that as a catholic school, what Stone Ridge decides to teach is a matter of religious Liberty. Why are you trying to deny them their freedom?

Catholic in name only, I fear.

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Google it, educate yourself. But the whole point of not teaching it is because it will most likely be taught the way you understand it, which is old and out of date.

No, that's not good enough. That is not an adequate answer in the context of a debate.

Explain your premise. Nobody knows what you mean by an "80s idea of the novel". You need to explain what you mean by using facts and examples.

There are many thoughtful posts in this thread that show a willingness to listen and learn.

Conversely, there are posts like yours which are insulting, generalized, and ignorant.

Telling someone to Google something is the usual response of those who either don't know or can't explain.

Here is a “taste” and here is the problem with white people they refuse to educate themselves, they put the burden on others. DO.THE.WORK.YOURSELF

WORK ON YOURSELF.

I'm the poster who was initially told to "educate" myself. I haven't responded until now, and I thank the other posters who tried to ask for an explanation to the "80s" comment. I see now we aren't going to get anywhere. I was sincerely interested in finding out why my interpretation was "old." I understand a newer interpretation may be that Atticus is the "white savior," but we discussed that back when I read it... in the 90s, not 80s... and dismissed it. Atticus learns in the novel. He grows. He doesn't save anybody. If anything, his experiences save him and he handles the Boo Radley narrative at the end better because of them.
I'm willing to learn. I'm not willing to be treated rudely. I also see *major* misinterpretations in these responses. Tom Robinson is not pushed to the side of the story, as little as a mockingbird. We don't shoot mockingbirds because they are innocent and do nothing to harm society. When Tom is shot, innocence was shot. It's a symbol... a major one.

Google why white women turn every lesson about racism into them being the victim and act indignant like you are right now. Stop pretending you are a victim here. Being educated may feel uncomfortable but stop with this I’m am feeling attacked BS. You could start with White Fragility and “educate yourself”

There is literally no person here claiming they are victims. We are discussing the merits of the book. Maybe you should think why your first reaction is calling white women racist. Kinda ironic, don't you think? Debate the issues, please. The book, brings up many uncomfortable moments and I think that is good. White Fragility has been proven it is bunk written by someone who wants to make lots of money. Read this review from a Black author from the Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/dehumanizing-condescension-white-fragility/614146/



Have you written why TKAM is no longer relevant? Why are you afraid of having kids assigned this book? And bonus points if you don't attack white people just for the sake of attacking white people.

There is literally no person calling that person racist, they said victim (I will not be treated rudely) when nobody was rude they just offered a different opinion.

Stop attacking posters snd debate the issue. If taught properly the “Scalia” level families would lose their mind.

The racism was implied. And I am discussing the issue. You just don't like listening to other people's opinions.

Nope. You assume every times somebody tries to explain something from another perspective (POC) you think you are being called racist. Also you are super fragile about it, people should not have to walk on eggshells talking about their own experience because it makes you feel attacked, stop internalizing every comment.

If you are against kids reading TKAM than it is you that is the snowflake, my friend. If I said something racist or did something racist I would not be "fragile" about it. I would apologize and make amends. Discussing why a book is important is not racist. The problem with always accusing racisms ( let's face it that is what many are saying) is that it is difficult to argue. If we say we are not racist than you say we are ignorant or protest too much. How would you like to be accused of something you are not guilty of?

Black Lives Matter has proven that POC are not walking on eggshells ( good thing) but, now good white people are made to do exactly that. Tell us your experience without the insults, hidden or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the clearest signs of wokeness is being unable to address the issues, instead to attack those who disagree with you.

Wokeness is abjectly stupid, and if you have a problem with that I can't help you.

The unintentional irony of this post is delicious. It confirms that participating in this thread is a waste of time.

[Anonymous]

PP is the one who misses the irony, I fear.

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Anonymous wrote:PP is the one who misses the irony, I fear.

Great. Maybe you can help by providing us all with your clear explanation of why it’s “abjectly stupid” to be aware of issues of racial injustice. Seems to me that knowledge and awareness is a good thing, but I’m curious how you’ll try to convince us that ignorance is better. Go for it.