To kill a mockingbird at SR

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP is the one who misses the irony, I fear.

Great. Maybe you can help by providing us all with your clear explanation of why it’s “abjectly stupid” to be aware of issues of racial injustice. Seems to me that knowledge and awareness is a good thing, but I’m curious how you’ll try to convince us that ignorance is better. Go for it.

I take issue with your definition. Anybody who is mildly aware of the world is aware of examples of racial injustice. We don't need to be beaten over the head into submission to understand that racial injustice exists and that it should be addressed as part of the overall evolution of society.

Of course, ignorance is never better, and nobody would ever argue that it is; but you already know that, which is why you posited that particular straw man.

The fact is, it is not the case that the rise of wokeness is due to sensible, cogent arguments that are persuasive to reasonable people. Even if one is willing to go a certain distance with the activists in agreeing that historical injustices may have a meaningful causal relationship to contemporary inequalities, progressive thinking on these topics still seems bizarrely unbalanced.

My issue with wokeness is that those who subscribe to such ideas actually seem to believe that Americans, or whites, or men, are uniquely and irredeemable guilty, for reasons written into the whole fabric of our society. The correction is not to go and sin no more, but rather to engage in a perpetual blame game that you can never escape.

Stone Ridge, like its fellow independent schools catering to the wealthy, liberal class has signed on fully and unapologetically to the woke religion and its DEI theology. The problem with this is that there is never an end-point. There is no "solving" this. The entire idea of antiracism is that it is, by definition, unsolvable. An entire group of people are racist and there is nothing that can be done to change that. This is a dangerous and potentially lethal road that these schools follow at their peril.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP is the one who misses the irony, I fear.

Great. Maybe you can help by providing us all with your clear explanation of why it’s “abjectly stupid” to be aware of issues of racial injustice. Seems to me that knowledge and awareness is a good thing, but I’m curious how you’ll try to convince us that ignorance is better. Go for it.

I take issue with your definition. Anybody who is mildly aware of the world is aware of examples of racial injustice. We don't need to be beaten over the head into submission to understand that racial injustice exists and that it should be addressed as part of the overall evolution of society.

Of course, ignorance is never better, and nobody would ever argue that it is; but you already know that, which is why you posited that particular straw man.

The fact is, it is not the case that the rise of wokeness is due to sensible, cogent arguments that are persuasive to reasonable people. Even if one is willing to go a certain distance with the activists in agreeing that historical injustices may have a meaningful causal relationship to contemporary inequalities, progressive thinking on these topics still seems bizarrely unbalanced.

My issue with wokeness is that those who subscribe to such ideas actually seem to believe that Americans, or whites, or men, are uniquely and irredeemable guilty, for reasons written into the whole fabric of our society. The correction is not to go and sin no more, but rather to engage in a perpetual blame game that you can never escape.

Stone Ridge, like its fellow independent schools catering to the wealthy, liberal class has signed on fully and unapologetically to the woke religion and its DEI theology. The problem with this is that there is never an end-point. There is no "solving" this. The entire idea of antiracism is that it is, by definition, unsolvable. An entire group of people are racist and there is nothing that can be done to change that. This is a dangerous and potentially lethal road that these schools follow at their peril.

You do realize that what you rail against the "woke" liberals of doing you do so yourself - painting with a broad brush everyone you claim is woke. You also ridiculously simplify and exaggerate what wokeness is, which helps you demean it and belittle it.

With a daughter at Stone Ridge, and as a parent who has participated in the Better Together parent meetings, I can tell you that SR is not going overboard with its DEI push. Are past failings at the school discussed? Yes. But there has also been good conversations about how to improve moving forward, without brow beating of anyone or casting blame on one particular segment of society.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Do you think that curricula reach a point of classical perfection and should never be altered subsequently?"

That's quite the straw man argument you defeated there. Well done! It very much missed the point though.

In my experience some SR parents support these changes but most just roll their eyes at the virtue signaling by the administration and hope common sense prevails before too much damage is done, as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to.

"as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to."

That's the ill-defined straw man here. Any move someone doesn't like is virtue signaling to be countered by common sense to avoid damage, none of which is defined, quantified, or agreed to with any consensus. But damn, it sounds so serious and important when you put it like that.

Just a way for people to stay mad that things change.

I don't know if you're connected with Stone Ridge or not, but if you are, you will know all too well that the liberal woke mob is most certainly in the ascendant, and that families of a more conservative bent (and their daughters) have to keep their views very much to themselves lest they be attacked.

Those of us who supported President Trump had to be particularly discreet. That was a point of view that was simply unacceptable.

They are all for "wise freedom" as long as it aligns with liberal agenda.

It is pretty darned difficult to defend Trump anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Do you think that curricula reach a point of classical perfection and should never be altered subsequently?"

That's quite the straw man argument you defeated there. Well done! It very much missed the point though.

In my experience some SR parents support these changes but most just roll their eyes at the virtue signaling by the administration and hope common sense prevails before too much damage is done, as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to.

"as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to."

That's the ill-defined straw man here. Any move someone doesn't like is virtue signaling to be countered by common sense to avoid damage, none of which is defined, quantified, or agreed to with any consensus. But damn, it sounds so serious and important when you put it like that.

Just a way for people to stay mad that things change.

I don't know if you're connected with Stone Ridge or not, but if you are, you will know all too well that the liberal woke mob is most certainly in the ascendant, and that families of a more conservative bent (and their daughters) have to keep their views very much to themselves lest they be attacked.

Those of us who supported President Trump had to be particularly discreet. That was a point of view that was simply unacceptable.

They are all for "wise freedom" as long as it aligns with liberal agenda.

If you had to be discreet you’re either a coward or supporting something you know you should be embarrassed about - did you expect praise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Do you think that curricula reach a point of classical perfection and should never be altered subsequently?"

That's quite the straw man argument you defeated there. Well done! It very much missed the point though.

In my experience some SR parents support these changes but most just roll their eyes at the virtue signaling by the administration and hope common sense prevails before too much damage is done, as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to.

"as no one wants to speak up and risk the ire of the woke mob unless they absolutely have to."

That's the ill-defined straw man here. Any move someone doesn't like is virtue signaling to be countered by common sense to avoid damage, none of which is defined, quantified, or agreed to with any consensus. But damn, it sounds so serious and important when you put it like that.

Just a way for people to stay mad that things change.

I don't know if you're connected with Stone Ridge or not, but if you are, you will know all too well that the liberal woke mob is most certainly in the ascendant, and that families of a more conservative bent (and their daughters) have to keep their views very much to themselves lest they be attacked.

Those of us who supported President Trump had to be particularly discreet. That was a point of view that was simply unacceptable.

They are all for "wise freedom" as long as it aligns with liberal agenda.

It is pretty darned difficult to defend Trump anywhere.

The election results put Trump's support in the DC suburbs at 20-30%, a pretty steep majority against.

[Anonymous]

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If you had to be discreet you’re either a coward or supporting something you know you should be embarrassed about - did you expect praise?

Are you seriously suggesting I should have heated political arguments with the anti-Trump parents? How would that help me or, more importantly, my daughter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

If you had to be discreet you’re either a coward or supporting something you know you should be embarrassed about - did you expect praise?

Are you seriously suggesting I should have heated political arguments with the anti-Trump parents? How would that help me or, more importantly, my daughter?

Not the PPP, but I seriously doubt this conversation has anything to do with your daughter or even most students at SR. If the culture at SR was becoming so intolerable and likely detrimental to well being to students, one would expect to see a mass exodus and drop in applications. Neither have occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you had to be discreet you’re either a coward or supporting something you know you should be embarrassed about - did you expect praise?

Are you seriously suggesting I should have heated political arguments with the anti-Trump parents? How would that help me or, more importantly, my daughter?

Not the PPP, but I seriously doubt this conversation has anything to do with your daughter or even most students at SR. If the culture at SR was becoming so intolerable and likely detrimental to well being to students, one would expect to see a mass exodus and drop in applications. Neither have occurred.

Another straw man. Nobody said the atmosphere was detrimental to students.

As you are so informed about the number of applications the school received, I assume you are part of the administration, so you really should know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you had to be discreet you’re either a coward or supporting something you know you should be embarrassed about - did you expect praise?

Are you seriously suggesting I should have heated political arguments with the anti-Trump parents? How would that help me or, more importantly, my daughter?

Not the PPP, but I seriously doubt this conversation has anything to do with your daughter or even most students at SR. If the culture at SR was becoming so intolerable and likely detrimental to well being to students, one would expect to see a mass exodus and drop in applications. Neither have occurred.

Another straw man. Nobody said the atmosphere was detrimental to students.

As you are so informed about the number of applications the school received, I assume you are part of the administration, so you really should know better.

I’m not in administration, but surely if SR applications were in decline or their was a mass exodus occurring because the girls and parents felt the curriculum and environment was intolerable, surely we would’ve heard about it by now. Especially since we were told how much applications were up everywhere. SR being an outlier of this, would have definitely been news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not in administration, but surely if SR applications were in decline or their was a mass exodus occurring because the girls and parents felt the curriculum and environment was intolerable, surely we would’ve heard about it by now. Especially since we were told how much applications were up everywhere. SR being an outlier of this, would have definitely been news.

OK, so you don't know what you're talking about regarding this.

TKAM was literally just removed from the curriculum.

As for applications, knowing the admin as I do, there is no way you'd ever know if applications were down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m not in administration, but surely if SR applications were in decline or their was a mass exodus occurring because the girls and parents felt the curriculum and environment was intolerable, surely we would’ve heard about it by now. Especially since we were told how much applications were up everywhere. SR being an outlier of this, would have definitely been news.

OK, so you don't know what you're talking about regarding this.

TKAM was literally just removed from the curriculum.

As for applications, knowing the admin as I do, there is no way you'd ever know if applications were down.

Yes TKAM was just removed, and yet people have been commenting on the “wokeness” at SR being out of control removal of TKAM being yet another example. My point, is that if this is yet another example of the “wokeness” that is destroying SR, one would naturally expect to see that reflected in applications and renewals. Seeing as we haven’t heard of any negative consequences, we have to believe it’s just a few DCUM posters that are truly bothered.

[Anonymous]

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Yes TKAM was just removed, and yet people have been commenting on the “wokeness” at SR being out of control removal of TKAM being yet another example. My point, is that if this is yet another example of the “wokeness” that is destroying SR, one would naturally expect to see that reflected in applications and renewals. Seeing as we haven’t heard of any negative consequences, we have to believe it’s just a few DCUM posters that are truly bothered.

Time will tell. History moves at its own speed. Everything dies eventually. It's just a matter of degree.

[Anonymous]

How is this thread still going? I would have imagined that y’all would have run out of things to argue at some point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this thread still going? I would have imagined that y’all would have run out of things to argue at some point.

Oh, we can keep it going for ever if we want

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this thread still going? I would have imagined that y’all would have run out of things to argue at some point.

You just made it longer,pp.

Congrats!