White Male Anger

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

There have been strong female role models in the media, it's just that the media does it horribly these days and shoves the diversity crap down your throat. They used to do it better back in the old days. Evvvvvvvvvvvveryone loves a strong female character like Ripley from Aliens, or a strong black character like Sidney Poitier. But these days, they do diversity for diversity's sake, and it is lame as hell. It is phony grandstanding to cater toward an agenda. Everyone can see through the flimsy efforts.

Diversity is something that exists off TV, why is it absurd to see this in the media?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

Now, most of those shows ALSO have strong women, and queer characters and racially diverse characters. But if your concern is "not enough boys in media," those should fit the bill

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

DP. I don't agree with the PP about his grievances but this is factually correct -- the US is losing good scientists (and more) to China, Singapore, and Korea at a very fast clip. It's foolish to pretend this isn't happening. I don't think it's for identity reasons, but it's definitely happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

You should have joined the military, then. Vets are sucking up ALL the government jobs.

[Anonymous]

Well, if you look at the math of it, you can see that both sides have a "point."

The U.S. is 60.7% non-Hispanic Caucasian. So cut that in half, and the U.S is around 30% white male. Their share of boardrooms, Congress, news anchor spots, and tenured academic spots used to be close to 100%. There is no way that getting that down to a proportionate representation (i.e. 30%, or let's say even 40% considering the complication of gendered choices in terms of child-rearing) is not going to be felt as a loss. I get that.

The annoying thing with the MRA, etc. grievance movement is that the (very slow) adjustment of representation in positions of power and influence is not because white males are being discriminated against. How could this be? If anything, the fact that their "share" of these positions is probably 75%+ today is evidence that they still benefit from reverse discrimination or at least significant structural and institutional advantages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

No, it's not.

~Daily listener.

See, this is why I can't take the "poor white men" folks seriously. First of all, there are *plenty* of white men working at NPR. But second of all, there's this side-serving of racism/sexism that PP just can't help but throw into the totally factually inaccurate rant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

You are ignoring Immigration Canada’s allowing only highly skilled workers (with a token few unskilled asylees for PR use), whereas the democrats seek to flood the US with unskilled immigrants (and illegal immigrants) because they hope to benefit from them at the ballot box (today or someday).

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

You absolutely must be a troll. Staring with Caillou, Sesame Street and Bob the builder the VAST majority of kids TV shows are about male characters. That's why Dora and Doc McStuffins were f-ing groundbreaking. Why do we indulge this shit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

No, it's not.

~Daily listener.

See, this is why I can't take the "poor white men" folks seriously. First of all, there are *plenty* of white men working at NPR. But second of all, there's this side-serving of racism/sexism that PP just can't help but throw into the totally factually inaccurate rant.

+1 Get up early and listen to Steve Inskeep, FFS