NYC parents vs DC parents

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Anonymous wrote:How do we know all these "I need my kids out of the house moms" - insert reason - their education; I need to work; its not good for the poor brown kids - aren't actually teenagers trolling on DCUM.

I literally have not heard a single poster here say "I need my kids out of the house." I've heard many posters claiming that is the motivation of parents who want school to open. But posters have all almost uniformly focused on their kids social and educational needs that are not (cannot be) served in DL. "I need my kids out of the house" is a toxic WTU caricature to deflect blame.

Look back at other threads. The reasons to send kids back as the infection rates soar, people traveling to hot zones for thanksgiving and during flu season have been shifting:
1. I need my kids out of the house
2. Think of how this is hurting poor brown kids I have never known or seen
3. Think of the moms who can't afford a nanny
4. My sped kid can't learn on DL
5. My kid isn't learning from DL
6. If private schools are open why can't we

It changes - they keep shifting the argument to see which one will stick to get them sympathy.

Meanwhile, arguments from teachers have been remarkably consistent:

1. When rates went up:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

2. When rates went down to almost zero:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

3. When private schools reopened:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

4. When asked to be part of the solution and find reasonable ways of reopening:
“I don’t wanna DIE! You must hate your kids!”

5. When presented with science that DL is hurting kids and schools aren’t actually superspreaders:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

6. Next year, when offered to get vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

7. In 2027, after everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

You forgot - "You all hate black and brown kids, we know that their families are at higher risk."

This thread is about NYC schools, where very few black and brown kids opted in to “in person” schooling. So, maybe don’t? All the crazed lunatics advocating for schools to open amidst a surge (in a city with 24,000 COVID deaths) are white. Take a look a the videos of people protesting last week. Do you see black and brown families there, screaming about wanting to see the manager of the coronavirus? No.

wow yeah, that's right. all the parents who think it's terrible that you can only be educated if you have the money for private schools are Karens.

BTW lots of prominent black advocates for public education think schools should reopen. check out Nikole Hannah Jones' twitter feeds.

Nikole Hannah Jones is brilliant, but she is an education expert, not a public health expert. And it really doesn't matter what she thinks -- she isn't going to convince the average Black or Latino parent in NYC or DC.

The PP's point remains -- the loudest voices HERE IN DC are white people. Talk to them, figure out why they are concerned or if they share your goals, and how to address the concerns of people whose experiences are different than yours. Because you're never going to get anywhere unless your protests look like DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a NYC teacher, I am absolutely disgusted by the behavior of parents since the second shutdown on the 18th. If the community wanted open schools then they had a responsibility to keep the virus under control. We’re currently averaging almost 2,000 new cases a day in the city. We just had the day with the most deaths since may this past week. We haven’t even seen the impact of the holiday on the data yet.

Furthermore, there were 3,002 COVID cases among staff and students in the few weeks we were open and 9% of all school buildings were shutdown due to outbreaks the day we closed. Yet parents keep posting “schools are safe! Follow the science! Teachers can’t read!” I’ve read that NYC teachers are “the lepers of our society” and that we are “abandoning their children” and on and on. This is the thanks we get for putting ourselves at risk to open up for their children. I hope that we are DL at least through the new year. I already went to my doctor to get a medical exemption to stay home from now on, and many colleagues have said they’ll do the same now. This isn’t worth it, especially as cases continue to rise and the city threatens to reopen anyway. Any sympathy I had for these parents is gone after reading this vitriol.

Teacher here too and I agree. I was ready to go back at any point since I know how hard this is for children . But I have also decided it’s not worth it after receiving so much hate from parents. It has crushed my love of teaching unfortunately. I’m fairly certain someone will now respond that I’m weak to let parent hate crush my passion but please don’t until you’ve walked a mile in our shoes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a NYC teacher, I am absolutely disgusted by the behavior of parents since the second shutdown on the 18th. If the community wanted open schools then they had a responsibility to keep the virus under control. We’re currently averaging almost 2,000 new cases a day in the city. We just had the day with the most deaths since may this past week. We haven’t even seen the impact of the holiday on the data yet.

Furthermore, there were 3,002 COVID cases among staff and students in the few weeks we were open and 9% of all school buildings were shutdown due to outbreaks the day we closed. Yet parents keep posting “schools are safe! Follow the science! Teachers can’t read!” I’ve read that NYC teachers are “the lepers of our society” and that we are “abandoning their children” and on and on. This is the thanks we get for putting ourselves at risk to open up for their children. I hope that we are DL at least through the new year. I already went to my doctor to get a medical exemption to stay home from now on, and many colleagues have said they’ll do the same now. This isn’t worth it, especially as cases continue to rise and the city threatens to reopen anyway. Any sympathy I had for these parents is gone after reading this vitriol.

Teacher here too and I agree. I was ready to go back at any point since I know how hard this is for children . But I have also decided it’s not worth it after receiving so much hate from parents. It has crushed my love of teaching unfortunately. I’m fairly certain someone will now respond that I’m weak to let parent hate crush my passion but please don’t until you’ve walked a mile in our shoes.

A bad teacher is a bad teacher and parents will be upset by those. However, you have a select group who cannot handle their kids so they are angry schools are closed. I'd like more live teaching and more assignments, especially in math but I can see a lot of benefits to DL and all of our teachers are trying very hard. The same parents screaming about teachers not willing to go back are probably parents who are living their lives as normal not willing to make any sacrifices but expect others too. You don't want to be in the same building with those kids as your risk from them goes up greatly.

If they could segregate families who are staying home/behaving responsibly with teachers doing the same, it could work. And, then put the entitled families in another group/school and the essential workers kids in another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

True but remember, many parents are working- some not from home. So schools being closed creates the impossible and leads to countless issues. The fact is school is childcare as much as teachers or whomever don't want to believe that. Society has been set up so that children go to school during the work day- unless families choose to homeschool or have other arrangements. Children under a certain age can not be at home by themselves and after a certain age can not attend daycare or other typical options offered to younger children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC parents are insufferable...we too moved from NY to DC and while at a private, place no value in in-person education. They will not listen to facts that highlight the safety of school and the negative effects of virtual learning. We are a liberal family but the failure of the left to think critically, to have the ability to listen to science that disproves their narrative, and outright nastiness to those who disagree with them is astounding, disappointing, and honestly makes them more like those on the right who they despise than they would like to believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

We're glad your kids are those rare unicorns who are doing well right now. The point is that *many* other families are not served well by DL even with parents martyring themselves trying to make it work. Your incessant shouting that everything must be fine is drowning out those other legitimate perspectives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that the NYC schools were only open for about six weeks and are now closed right?

And the numbers in NYC were super low when they first opened. Much lower than DC. By NYC reopening standards, DC schools wouldn’t have opened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How do we know all these "I need my kids out of the house moms" - insert reason - their education; I need to work; its not good for the poor brown kids - aren't actually teenagers trolling on DCUM.

I literally have not heard a single poster here say "I need my kids out of the house." I've heard many posters claiming that is the motivation of parents who want school to open. But posters have all almost uniformly focused on their kids social and educational needs that are not (cannot be) served in DL. "I need my kids out of the house" is a toxic WTU caricature to deflect blame.

Look back at other threads. The reasons to send kids back as the infection rates soar, people traveling to hot zones for thanksgiving and during flu season have been shifting:
1. I need my kids out of the house
2. Think of how this is hurting poor brown kids I have never known or seen
3. Think of the moms who can't afford a nanny
4. My sped kid can't learn on DL
5. My kid isn't learning from DL
6. If private schools are open why can't we

It changes - they keep shifting the argument to see which one will stick to get them sympathy.

Meanwhile, arguments from teachers have been remarkably consistent:

1. When rates went up:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

2. When rates went down to almost zero:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

3. When private schools reopened:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

4. When asked to be part of the solution and find reasonable ways of reopening:
“I don’t wanna DIE! You must hate your kids!”

5. When presented with science that DL is hurting kids and schools aren’t actually superspreaders:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

6. Next year, when offered to get vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

7. In 2027, after everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

You forgot - "You all hate black and brown kids, we know that their families are at higher risk."

This thread is about NYC schools, where very few black and brown kids opted in to “in person” schooling. So, maybe don’t? All the crazed lunatics advocating for schools to open amidst a surge (in a city with 24,000 COVID deaths) are white. Take a look a the videos of people protesting last week. Do you see black and brown families there, screaming about wanting to see the manager of the coronavirus? No.

wow yeah, that's right. all the parents who think it's terrible that you can only be educated if you have the money for private schools are Karens.

BTW lots of prominent black advocates for public education think schools should reopen. check out Nikole Hannah Jones' twitter feeds.

Nikole Hannah Jones is brilliant, but she is an education expert, not a public health expert. And it really doesn't matter what she thinks -- she isn't going to convince the average Black or Latino parent in NYC or DC.

The PP's point remains -- the loudest voices HERE IN DC are white people. Talk to them, figure out why they are concerned or if they share your goals, and how to address the concerns of people whose experiences are different than yours. Because you're never going to get anywhere unless your protests look like DC.

How do you know the loudest voices HERE IN DC are white people? And that's funny that you're dismissing Nikole Hannah Jones as an "education expert" ... as if that's not relevant here? Shifting the goal posts again?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

We're glad your kids are those rare unicorns who are doing well right now. The point is that *many* other families are not served well by DL even with parents martyring themselves trying to make it work. Your incessant shouting that everything must be fine is drowning out those other legitimate perspectives.

Clearly you are very fortunate that you haven't experienced anything bad in your life. We have. We've had multiple bad things happen. COVID is a pandemic. They happen every so often but we've been lucky we haven't had one in our life time or anything like war on our soil. DL and having your kids at home is no big deal compared to some of the other things we've gone though. You need involved parents who are setting the standard on how it should work. The flexible camera's off, kids can read or do other things during class time or not caring if their kids show up are a huge issue as are those not monitoring to make sure the work is turned in. Many of those kids have the same behaviors in person but the parents are checked out so they don't know about it.

I truly hope nothing truly bad ever happens to some of the people who cannot handle DL as they couldn't handle much else either.

Its 2020. Time to adapt to our new normal and be thankful we have DL/online or we'd all have to be homeschooling.

There is no safe way to bring these large school systems back.

Most are not willing to stay home under a lockdown so this is going to continue for a very long time. So, no point in fighting it and just find ways to make it work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

True but remember, many parents are working- some not from home. So schools being closed creates the impossible and leads to countless issues. The fact is school is childcare as much as teachers or whomever don't want to believe that. Society has been set up so that children go to school during the work day- unless families choose to homeschool or have other arrangements. Children under a certain age can not be at home by themselves and after a certain age can not attend daycare or other typical options offered to younger children.

There are child care options for those who are working out of the home. Or, you hire help. Most people on DCUM can afford to hire help and if they cannot its because they have a very large mortgage payment and their spending habits. They didn't plan for any emergencies and relied on free child care. Life has changed so now they have to adapt and change their lifestyle to fit the new normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

We're glad your kids are those rare unicorns who are doing well right now. The point is that *many* other families are not served well by DL even with parents martyring themselves trying to make it work. Your incessant shouting that everything must be fine is drowning out those other legitimate perspectives.

Clearly you are very fortunate that you haven't experienced anything bad in your life. We have. We've had multiple bad things happen. COVID is a pandemic. They happen every so often but we've been lucky we haven't had one in our life time or anything like war on our soil. DL and having your kids at home is no big deal compared to some of the other things we've gone though. You need involved parents who are setting the standard on how it should work. The flexible camera's off, kids can read or do other things during class time or not caring if their kids show up are a huge issue as are those not monitoring to make sure the work is turned in. Many of those kids have the same behaviors in person but the parents are checked out so they don't know about it.

I truly hope nothing truly bad ever happens to some of the people who cannot handle DL as they couldn't handle much else either.

Its 2020. Time to adapt to our new normal and be thankful we have DL/online or we'd all have to be homeschooling.

There is no safe way to bring these large school systems back.

Most are not willing to stay home under a lockdown so this is going to continue for a very long time. So, no point in fighting it and just find ways to make it work.

If it weren't 2020 and there were no internet the kids would be in school. So no, I'm not thankful for DL/online.

I'm glad the tide is turning and your view is going to go the way of the dodo. This is truly going to be a black mark on the history of supposedly "liberal" cities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

True but remember, many parents are working- some not from home. So schools being closed creates the impossible and leads to countless issues. The fact is school is childcare as much as teachers or whomever don't want to believe that. Society has been set up so that children go to school during the work day- unless families choose to homeschool or have other arrangements. Children under a certain age can not be at home by themselves and after a certain age can not attend daycare or other typical options offered to younger children.

There are child care options for those who are working out of the home. Or, you hire help. Most people on DCUM can afford to hire help and if they cannot its because they have a very large mortgage payment and their spending habits. They didn't plan for any emergencies and relied on free child care. Life has changed so now they have to adapt and change their lifestyle to fit the new normal.

What kind of bizarre rationalization are you making?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do we know all these "I need my kids out of the house moms" - insert reason - their education; I need to work; its not good for the poor brown kids - aren't actually teenagers trolling on DCUM.

I literally have not heard a single poster here say "I need my kids out of the house." I've heard many posters claiming that is the motivation of parents who want school to open. But posters have all almost uniformly focused on their kids social and educational needs that are not (cannot be) served in DL. "I need my kids out of the house" is a toxic WTU caricature to deflect blame.

Look back at other threads. The reasons to send kids back as the infection rates soar, people traveling to hot zones for thanksgiving and during flu season have been shifting:
1. I need my kids out of the house
2. Think of how this is hurting poor brown kids I have never known or seen
3. Think of the moms who can't afford a nanny
4. My sped kid can't learn on DL
5. My kid isn't learning from DL
6. If private schools are open why can't we

It changes - they keep shifting the argument to see which one will stick to get them sympathy.

Meanwhile, arguments from teachers have been remarkably consistent:

1. When rates went up:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

2. When rates went down to almost zero:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

3. When private schools reopened:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

4. When asked to be part of the solution and find reasonable ways of reopening:
“I don’t wanna DIE! You must hate your kids!”

5. When presented with science that DL is hurting kids and schools aren’t actually superspreaders:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate your kids!“

6. Next year, when offered to get vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

7. In 2027, after everyone else on the planet has been vaccinated:
“I don’t wanna DIE!!! You must hate their kids!”

You forgot - "You all hate black and brown kids, we know that their families are at higher risk."

This thread is about NYC schools, where very few black and brown kids opted in to “in person” schooling. So, maybe don’t? All the crazed lunatics advocating for schools to open amidst a surge (in a city with 24,000 COVID deaths) are white. Take a look a the videos of people protesting last week. Do you see black and brown families there, screaming about wanting to see the manager of the coronavirus? No.

wow yeah, that's right. all the parents who think it's terrible that you can only be educated if you have the money for private schools are Karens.

BTW lots of prominent black advocates for public education think schools should reopen. check out Nikole Hannah Jones' twitter feeds.

Nikole Hannah Jones is brilliant, but she is an education expert, not a public health expert. And it really doesn't matter what she thinks -- she isn't going to convince the average Black or Latino parent in NYC or DC.

The PP's point remains -- the loudest voices HERE IN DC are white people. Talk to them, figure out why they are concerned or if they share your goals, and how to address the concerns of people whose experiences are different than yours. Because you're never going to get anywhere unless your protests look like DC.

How do you know the loudest voices HERE IN DC are white people? And that's funny that you're dismissing Nikole Hannah Jones as an "education expert" ... as if that's not relevant here? Shifting the goal posts again?

Because at my kid’s title 1 school the Black parents don’t want in person and the white families do. This tracks with surveys from DC and beyond. And given the disparate levels of cases and deaths it makes sense. People need to stop screaming and listen to each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are definitely kids who are doing better in DL. They tend to be kids who had significant anxiety issues around in-person school before. I think one lesson that should be learned from this pandemic is that there is a group of kids for whom the stress of in-person learning impedes their access to education.

However, this group shouldn't be driving education policy for the population as a whole.

My kids do well at both. We've taught them to be flexible when an emergency comes up as we've had many and to make the best of a hard situation. We also heavily support them in school regardless of how the actual teaching is done. Parental support, especially k-6th is vital. You cannot expect a K to just do DL or even in school and not supplement with the basics.

We're glad your kids are those rare unicorns who are doing well right now. The point is that *many* other families are not served well by DL even with parents martyring themselves trying to make it work. Your incessant shouting that everything must be fine is drowning out those other legitimate perspectives.

Clearly you are very fortunate that you haven't experienced anything bad in your life. We have. We've had multiple bad things happen. COVID is a pandemic. They happen every so often but we've been lucky we haven't had one in our life time or anything like war on our soil. DL and having your kids at home is no big deal compared to some of the other things we've gone though. You need involved parents who are setting the standard on how it should work. The flexible camera's off, kids can read or do other things during class time or not caring if their kids show up are a huge issue as are those not monitoring to make sure the work is turned in. Many of those kids have the same behaviors in person but the parents are checked out so they don't know about it.

I truly hope nothing truly bad ever happens to some of the people who cannot handle DL as they couldn't handle much else either.

Its 2020. Time to adapt to our new normal and be thankful we have DL/online or we'd all have to be homeschooling.

There is no safe way to bring these large school systems back.

Most are not willing to stay home under a lockdown so this is going to continue for a very long time. So, no point in fighting it and just find ways to make it work.

You just proved my point. You keep shouting that everything must be fine with DL, notwithstanding the many other perspectives that would beg to differ.

You need to crawl out of your bunker and see what's really been happening with other families.