The Crown - season 4

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Anonymous wrote:Actually the sad truth is her decision not to wear a seatbelt killed her.

And the driver was drunk as hell!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Olivia Coleman looks much older than the actor portraying Philip. She almost looks like she could be his mother. They should have kept Claire Foy and just aged her a little. Love Olivia Coleman, but she’s too matronly for this stage.

I 100% agree. They have given her a much older and grandmotherly look than Philip.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Olivia Coleman looks much older than the actor portraying Philip. She almost looks like she could be his mother. They should have kept Claire Foy and just aged her a little. Love Olivia Coleman, but she’s too matronly for this stage.

I 100% agree. They have given her a much older and grandmotherly look than Philip.

Rubbish. She is supposed to be in her 60s.

[Anonymous]

I watched Diana in her own words last night on Netflix (I'm in Canada, not sure if it's on US Netflix) and I think the Queen looked the appropriate age in this season compared to what the real Queen looked like during this time period. I didn't find Season 3+4 Phillip to be as good as Season 1+2 Phillip, so that was more my issue.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that people say things like they hate Charles and Camilla.

You don’t know them and you didn’t know Diana.

Charles and Camilla have now been married longer than he was married to Diana. Get over it.

+1
In their own ways, they were as trapped as she was.

Except they are living happily together and she died horrifically aged 36 leaving two young sons behind. I think its the reality that people have trouble reconciling, not the actual tv fiction.

They didn't kill her. Drunk driving, speeding, and lack of seat belt killed her. This is a dramatization, not a surveillance camera. Neither Charles nor Diana, for all their money and privilege, had ideal upbringings. Both were emotionally warped in fundamentally incompatible ways and forced together by circumstances somewhat beyond their control. Yes, Charlies was a cheating cad and a cold fish. But Diana was also mentally ill and did things like humiliate her kids by airing her dirty marriage laundry in the media, and use William as an emotional crutch. She was no saint. They both had issues. It was just a tragedy all around. And for all his faults, Charles does seem to have turned out two reasonably stable adult sons, despite what they've all been through.

The whole family is a mess. Despite their money, I feel sorry for all of them. I wouldn't switch places in a million years.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Olivia Coleman looks much older than the actor portraying Philip. She almost looks like she could be his mother. They should have kept Claire Foy and just aged her a little. Love Olivia Coleman, but she’s too matronly for this stage.

I 100% agree. They have given her a much older and grandmotherly look than Philip.

Rubbish. She is supposed to be in her 60s.

Rubbish right back. Then they should have aged Philip a lot more. The actor who played Lord Mountbatten looked far more appropriate, age wise, than the Philip actor.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that people say things like they hate Charles and Camilla.

You don’t know them and you didn’t know Diana.

Charles and Camilla have now been married longer than he was married to Diana. Get over it.

+1
In their own ways, they were as trapped as she was.

Except they are living happily together and she died horrifically aged 36 leaving two young sons behind. I think its the reality that people have trouble reconciling, not the actual tv fiction.

They didn't kill her. Drunk driving, speeding, and lack of seat belt killed her. This is a dramatization, not a surveillance camera. Neither Charles nor Diana, for all their money and privilege, had ideal upbringings. Both were emotionally warped in fundamentally incompatible ways and forced together by circumstances somewhat beyond their control. Yes, Charlies was a cheating cad and a cold fish. But Diana was also mentally ill and did things like humiliate her kids by airing her dirty marriage laundry in the media, and use William as an emotional crutch. She was no saint. They both had issues. It was just a tragedy all around. And for all his faults, Charles does seem to have turned out two reasonably stable adult sons, despite what they've all been through.

The whole family is a mess. Despite their money, I feel sorry for all of them. I wouldn't switch places in a million years.

Diana deserves some of the credit for how William and Harry turned out. Sounds like, from numerous interviews and accounts, her sons agree. Also Diana may have struggled with mental illness, but some of it was a symptom of how terribly she was treated by Charles and the BRF. The callousness and indifference, not to mention Charles’ affair with Camilla. Horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Olivia Coleman looks much older than the actor portraying Philip. She almost looks like she could be his mother. They should have kept Claire Foy and just aged her a little. Love Olivia Coleman, but she’s too matronly for this stage.

I 100% agree. They have given her a much older and grandmotherly look than Philip.

Rubbish. She is supposed to be in her 60s.

Rubbish right back. Then they should have aged Philip a lot more. The actor who played Lord Mountbatten looked far more appropriate, age wise, than the Philip actor.

NP. Disagree with this. Some people carry old for their age and others young. Madonna is 62, would that be better casting? I think the show does a good job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The British should really get their own version of Kardashians.
Their obsession with the royals is ridiculous

They have them —football players’ wives.

However, we’re like this with the Kennedys.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Olivia Coleman looks much older than the actor portraying Philip. She almost looks like she could be his mother. They should have kept Claire Foy and just aged her a little. Love Olivia Coleman, but she’s too matronly for this stage.

I 100% agree. They have given her a much older and grandmotherly look than Philip.

Rubbish. She is supposed to be in her 60s.

Rubbish right back. Then they should have aged Philip a lot more. The actor who played Lord Mountbatten looked far more appropriate, age wise, than the Philip actor.

Go watch footage from Diana’s funeral and you’ll see what the Queen and Phillip looked like. The actors have the same hairstyles and wrinkles. Good casting and makeup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Highly recommend the You're Wrong About podcast Princess Diana episodes. Its a deep dive into Diana's life using Morton's and Brown's books

This was so good! A lot of information about Diana's life before and after the marriage

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that people say things like they hate Charles and Camilla.

You don’t know them and you didn’t know Diana.

Charles and Camilla have now been married longer than he was married to Diana. Get over it.

+1
In their own ways, they were as trapped as she was.

Except they are living happily together and she died horrifically aged 36 leaving two young sons behind. I think its the reality that people have trouble reconciling, not the actual tv fiction.

They didn't kill her. Drunk driving, speeding, and lack of seat belt killed her. This is a dramatization, not a surveillance camera. Neither Charles nor Diana, for all their money and privilege, had ideal upbringings. Both were emotionally warped in fundamentally incompatible ways and forced together by circumstances somewhat beyond their control. Yes, Charlies was a cheating cad and a cold fish. But Diana was also mentally ill and did things like humiliate her kids by airing her dirty marriage laundry in the media, and use William as an emotional crutch. She was no saint. They both had issues. It was just a tragedy all around. And for all his faults, Charles does seem to have turned out two reasonably stable adult sons, despite what they've all been through.

The whole family is a mess. Despite their money, I feel sorry for all of them. I wouldn't switch places in a million years.

Lack of royal protection officers and driver, is what killed her.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that people say things like they hate Charles and Camilla.

You don’t know them and you didn’t know Diana.

Charles and Camilla have now been married longer than he was married to Diana. Get over it.

+1
In their own ways, they were as trapped as she was.

Except they are living happily together and she died horrifically aged 36 leaving two young sons behind. I think its the reality that people have trouble reconciling, not the actual tv fiction.

They didn't kill her. Drunk driving, speeding, and lack of seat belt killed her. This is a dramatization, not a surveillance camera. Neither Charles nor Diana, for all their money and privilege, had ideal upbringings. Both were emotionally warped in fundamentally incompatible ways and forced together by circumstances somewhat beyond their control. Yes, Charlies was a cheating cad and a cold fish. But Diana was also mentally ill and did things like humiliate her kids by airing her dirty marriage laundry in the media, and use William as an emotional crutch. She was no saint. They both had issues. It was just a tragedy all around. And for all his faults, Charles does seem to have turned out two reasonably stable adult sons, despite what they've all been through.

The whole family is a mess. Despite their money, I feel sorry for all of them. I wouldn't switch places in a million years.

Kind of agree with this but also it seems a little bit unfair for Charles to have had many years of adulthood to get some distances from his upbringing and Diana to hit the scene at 19 and be held to the same standard for dealing with his psychotic family.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s weird to me that people say things like they hate Charles and Camilla.

You don’t know them and you didn’t know Diana.

Charles and Camilla have now been married longer than he was married to Diana. Get over it.

+1
In their own ways, they were as trapped as she was.

Except they are living happily together and she died horrifically aged 36 leaving two young sons behind. I think its the reality that people have trouble reconciling, not the actual tv fiction.

True, she died and they are still living - but are you implying that’s somehow their fault? The paparazzi killed her. Period.

DP. But you can’t really give props to Camilla and Charles when Diana is dead. No way to know how things would have turned out.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand the purpose of the monarchy. It doesn't seem like they really understand it either besides "tradition" and "history."

Why can't the PM do the ceremonial stuff in addition to the politics? That's what the POTUS does.

This is an incredible take. The "tradition" and "history" of the British Royal family includes the largest empire on earth, the invention of an entire Christian denomination, the rise of our own country, the first written constitution in the Magna Carta, etc.

Only the UK can decide if they want the Royal family to remain as it is or substantially as it is, but its history is significant not only in the UK, but in the development of the modern world.