HPV vaccine - did you get it for your son or daughter? If not, why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Healthcare worker here. I once had a patient with HPV who went on to develop cervical cancer (and later died). She came from a country where virginity was expected upon marriage. Her husband was her one and only sexual partner. After her death, the husband was devastated and consumed with guilt, knowing that he likely gave her the virus which ultimately killed her.

WOW! This is an awesome example!

Some unknown person, in some unknown place, at some unknown time, got some unknown virus 🦠
And died.

I think I might know that person too 😂😂😂😂🤣

[Anonymous]

We have a son and a daughter. They have both received the vaccine. I don't understand why anyone would not do this for their children. We can all hope we did a good job parenting, that our children will always make good decisions and will not be promiscuous and will always use condoms. However, hope is not a plan.

[Anonymous]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

You could make the same argument for:

tylenol - I might get liver problems if I take it, therefore I won't
Advil- I might get an ulcer and bleed and maybe die, therefore I won't
Antibiotics - I might get diarrhea, or stomach pain and dehydrated and end up in the hospital, therefore I won't

Yes, all of this might make one pause. So tired of anti-vaxxers coming up with reasons not to do something.

[Anonymous]

https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Another legit study.

I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids have received all shots.

But my friend worked for the company that launched one of the first hpv vaccines, and I heard what they discovered during research and testing. And, my nephew has suffered years of unexplained chronic pain and neuro issues following the first shot.

The research is there. It proves the US hasn’t tracked the adverse reactions properly or studied them. The US has prioritized fighting cervical cancer over the long term suffering of a select subset of people suffering adverse reactions. These people will end up on disability.

Interestingly, other countries are doing a better job of tracking the reactions and studying them. Japan pulled the plug on the vaccine campaign. This study is on the ethics of the vaccine. That speaks volumes imho.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

You could make the same argument for:

tylenol - I might get liver problems if I take it, therefore I won't
Advil- I might get an ulcer and bleed and maybe die, therefore I won't
Antibiotics - I might get diarrhea, or stomach pain and dehydrated and end up in the hospital, therefore I won't

Yes, all of this might make one pause. So tired of anti-vaxxers coming up with reasons not to do something.

If the first time you took Tylenol your liver was irreparably damaged, they would ban it.

Not apples to apples.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No I rolled my eyes when our doctor suggested it for my the. 11 yr old and said “ Really? “

She dropped it very quickly

People get irrationally enraged over the suggestion that a middle schooler doesn’t need this vaccine and they don’t even understand how silky they look!

The reason that the vaccine is recommend so early has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that middle school parents are a captive audience much like all vaccines being give . Regular checkups and doctor visits trickle off in teen years. Pediatricians push the vax at ages 10-12 not due to science or medical necessity but bc they know that they are less likely to get parents to bring their child for routine check ups in the coming years.

Vaccines are effective.
They don’t actually have a time line or expiration - if not given at age 2 forget it! Worthless! but this is the irrational thinking that so many people believe.

How can it be possible that a vaccine is only effective if administered at age 11 ? But the same vaccine given at age 15 or 18, would now be crap?

How do you explain the rotavirus vaccine being ineffective if first dose not given before 4 months of age? And the time limit on completion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Another legit study.

I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids have received all shots.

But my friend worked for the company that launched one of the first hpv vaccines, and I heard what they discovered during research and testing. And, my nephew has suffered years of unexplained chronic pain and neuro issues following the first shot.

The research is there. It proves the US hasn’t tracked the adverse reactions properly or studied them. The US has prioritized fighting cervical cancer over the long term suffering of a select subset of people suffering adverse reactions. These people will end up on disability.

Interestingly, other countries are doing a better job of tracking the reactions and studying them. Japan pulled the plug on the vaccine campaign. This study is on the ethics of the vaccine. That speaks volumes imho.

Are you under the impression that the national health service in Japan does not provide the HPV vaccine, free of charge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No I rolled my eyes when our doctor suggested it for my the. 11 yr old and said “ Really? “

She dropped it very quickly

People get irrationally enraged over the suggestion that a middle schooler doesn’t need this vaccine and they don’t even understand how silky they look!

The reason that the vaccine is recommend so early has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that middle school parents are a captive audience much like all vaccines being give . Regular checkups and doctor visits trickle off in teen years. Pediatricians push the vax at ages 10-12 not due to science or medical necessity but bc they know that they are less likely to get parents to bring their child for routine check ups in the coming years.

Vaccines are effective.
They don’t actually have a time line or expiration - if not given at age 2 forget it! Worthless! but this is the irrational thinking that so many people believe.

How can it be possible that a vaccine is only effective if administered at age 11 ? But the same vaccine given at age 15 or 18, would now be crap?

How do you explain the rotavirus vaccine being ineffective if first dose not given before 4 months of age? And the time limit on completion?

It’s poppycock.

The hpv vaccine sales plan contemplated universal use. They had to settle on the lowest age kids start having sex, so that’s what they did.

Most kids are not having sex at 11 or 12. The latest data indicates recent generations are delaying sex.

A 24 year old virgin would be protected by the vaccine. But her insurance isn’t likely to cover it.

Tip: read vaccine guidelines around the world. The US isn’t always right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No I rolled my eyes when our doctor suggested it for my the. 11 yr old and said “ Really? “

She dropped it very quickly

People get irrationally enraged over the suggestion that a middle schooler doesn’t need this vaccine and they don’t even understand how silky they look!

The reason that the vaccine is recommend so early has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that middle school parents are a captive audience much like all vaccines being give . Regular checkups and doctor visits trickle off in teen years. Pediatricians push the vax at ages 10-12 not due to science or medical necessity but bc they know that they are less likely to get parents to bring their child for routine check ups in the coming years.

Vaccines are effective.
They don’t actually have a time line or expiration - if not given at age 2 forget it! Worthless! but this is the irrational thinking that so many people believe.

How can it be possible that a vaccine is only effective if administered at age 11 ? But the same vaccine given at age 15 or 18, would now be crap?

How do you explain the rotavirus vaccine being ineffective if first dose not given before 4 months of age? And the time limit on completion?

It’s poppycock.

The hpv vaccine sales plan contemplated universal use. They had to settle on the lowest age kids start having sex, so that’s what they did.

Most kids are not having sex at 11 or 12. The latest data indicates recent generations are delaying sex.

A 24 year old virgin would be protected by the vaccine. But her insurance isn’t likely to cover it.

Tip: read vaccine guidelines around the world. The US isn’t always right.

So you've look at the rotavirus vaccine studies about effectiveness based on age, and you think they are "poppycock," because ...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No I rolled my eyes when our doctor suggested it for my the. 11 yr old and said “ Really? “

She dropped it very quickly

People get irrationally enraged over the suggestion that a middle schooler doesn’t need this vaccine and they don’t even understand how silky they look!

The reason that the vaccine is recommend so early has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that middle school parents are a captive audience much like all vaccines being give . Regular checkups and doctor visits trickle off in teen years. Pediatricians push the vax at ages 10-12 not due to science or medical necessity but bc they know that they are less likely to get parents to bring their child for routine check ups in the coming years.

Vaccines are effective.
They don’t actually have a time line or expiration - if not given at age 2 forget it! Worthless! but this is the irrational thinking that so many people believe.

How can it be possible that a vaccine is only effective if administered at age 11 ? But the same vaccine given at age 15 or 18, would now be crap?

How do you explain the rotavirus vaccine being ineffective if first dose not given before 4 months of age? And the time limit on completion?

It’s poppycock.

The hpv vaccine sales plan contemplated universal use. They had to settle on the lowest age kids start having sex, so that’s what they did.

Most kids are not having sex at 11 or 12. The latest data indicates recent generations are delaying sex.

A 24 year old virgin would be protected by the vaccine. But her insurance isn’t likely to cover it.

Tip: read vaccine guidelines around the world. The US isn’t always right.

Hot tip: I've practiced around the world, and I read more than one study at a time on a topic, including vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Another legit study.

I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids have received all shots.

But my friend worked for the company that launched one of the first hpv vaccines, and I heard what they discovered during research and testing. And, my nephew has suffered years of unexplained chronic pain and neuro issues following the first shot.

The research is there. It proves the US hasn’t tracked the adverse reactions properly or studied them. The US has prioritized fighting cervical cancer over the long term suffering of a select subset of people suffering adverse reactions. These people will end up on disability.

Interestingly, other countries are doing a better job of tracking the reactions and studying them. Japan pulled the plug on the vaccine campaign. This study is on the ethics of the vaccine. That speaks volumes imho.

Yo are a moron anti-vaxxer who doesn’t know how to read. You did NOT link a “legit study”. You linked an article written by lawyers suing the vaccine manufacturer:
“All the authors are members of Medwatcher Japan. Masumi Minaguchi and Masato Sekiguchi are Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the HPV vaccination lawsuits.”

So we’ve gone full Wakefield on this subject.

The vaccines are safe. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Another legit study.

I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids have received all shots.

But my friend worked for the company that launched one of the first hpv vaccines, and I heard what they discovered during research and testing. And, my nephew has suffered years of unexplained chronic pain and neuro issues following the first shot.

The research is there. It proves the US hasn’t tracked the adverse reactions properly or studied them. The US has prioritized fighting cervical cancer over the long term suffering of a select subset of people suffering adverse reactions. These people will end up on disability.

Interestingly, other countries are doing a better job of tracking the reactions and studying them. Japan pulled the plug on the vaccine campaign. This study is on the ethics of the vaccine. That speaks volumes imho.

Yo are a moron anti-vaxxer who doesn’t know how to read. You did NOT link a “legit study”. You linked an article written by lawyers suing the vaccine manufacturer:
“All the authors are members of Medwatcher Japan. Masumi Minaguchi and Masato Sekiguchi are Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the HPV vaccination lawsuits.”

So we’ve gone full Wakefield on this subject.

The vaccines are safe. Period.

Go read the article on the ethics of the hpv vaccine written by Indians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

You could make the same argument for:

tylenol - I might get liver problems if I take it, therefore I won't
Advil- I might get an ulcer and bleed and maybe die, therefore I won't
Antibiotics - I might get diarrhea, or stomach pain and dehydrated and end up in the hospital, therefore I won't

Yes, all of this might make one pause. So tired of anti-vaxxers coming up with reasons not to do something.

The difference is that no one will start berating you if you choose not to take these medication for legitimate concerns, unlike vaccines

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

You could make the same argument for:

tylenol - I might get liver problems if I take it, therefore I won't
Advil- I might get an ulcer and bleed and maybe die, therefore I won't
Antibiotics - I might get diarrhea, or stomach pain and dehydrated and end up in the hospital, therefore I won't

Yes, all of this might make one pause. So tired of anti-vaxxers coming up with reasons not to do something.

Why are you tired of it? Why do you get outraged? It’s weird the reaction you have