HPV vaccine - did you get it for your son or daughter? If not, why?

[Anonymous]

Politics has driven Japan's choices about HPV vaccination, too. There is an anti-vax contingent there, just like anywhere else. If the science said it wasn't safe, why would the national health service continue to supply it for free, if the patient or parent asks for it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5967601/

Legit study.

Interesting how they make the case that adverse reactions should be accurately recorded and studied instead of ignored.

Interesting that Japan no longer recommends the vaccine due to adverse reactions (chronic headache and pain lasting years; suicide).

Like all vaccines, most people don’t suffer adverse reactions. Yay! But if your kid did—or you knew someone who did—you’d likely hesitate.

Moron, it’s not a “study.” It’s an ARTICLE comparing two countries policies, “In this article we bring the attention on certain adverse effects of the vaccine against HPV that have not been well studied...”.

For example, why the “study” trump likes about hydroxychloroquine according to fauci, “But the study was noncontrolled and retrospective, opening it up to potential bias. Patients also received corticosteroids, which have been proven to reduce death in COVID-19 patients, further clouding the effects of hydroxychloroquine.” That study is a flawed study," Fauci said.

“Studies of hydroxychloroquine that have followed the gold standards in clinical research to reduce bias have shown the drug is not effective at treating COVID-19, Fauci added.

"Every randomized, placebo-controlled trial that has looked at it has shown no efficacy, so I just have to go with the data," Fauci said. "I don't have any horse in the game one way or the other. I just looked at the data."

So evidence comes from studies that are randomized controlled trial preferably with large populations that can be replicated.

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Anonymous wrote:https://ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Another legit study.

I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids have received all shots.

But my friend worked for the company that launched one of the first hpv vaccines, and I heard what they discovered during research and testing. And, my nephew has suffered years of unexplained chronic pain and neuro issues following the first shot.

The research is there. It proves the US hasn’t tracked the adverse reactions properly or studied them. The US has prioritized fighting cervical cancer over the long term suffering of a select subset of people suffering adverse reactions. These people will end up on disability.

Interestingly, other countries are doing a better job of tracking the reactions and studying them. Japan pulled the plug on the vaccine campaign. This study is on the ethics of the vaccine. That speaks volumes imho.

Yo are a moron anti-vaxxer who doesn’t know how to read. You did NOT link a “legit study”. You linked an article written by lawyers suing the vaccine manufacturer:
“All the authors are members of Medwatcher Japan. Masumi Minaguchi and Masato Sekiguchi are Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the HPV vaccination lawsuits.”

So we’ve gone full Wakefield on this subject.

The vaccines are safe. Period.

Go read the article on the ethics of the hpv vaccine written by Indians.

I prefer my vaccine information to be reliable:
http://paul-offit.com/resources/

[Anonymous]

The vaccines are safe. Period.


HAHAHA K, you're right

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OP I so agree w you. My daughter is 12 and I asked Ped if I could do some research on this before consenting. Our functional practitioner says she sees many kids after vaccine injuries.

The fact that you see a functional practitioner in the first place already means you don't trust actual science based medicine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_medicine

The fact that you use Wikipedia for information means you are very short sighted 😬

Okay. Which part of the Wikipeda entry is incorrect? Please cite sources that you deem credible so that I may educate myself.

The entire entry. My integrative MD has resolved more than our regular MDs.
Just a couple of examples:
- Had Hashimotos for 17yrs. Bloodwork always fine but I felt like crap. My Ivy LEague educated endocrinologist admitted they don’t learn about nutrition in medical school (ok fine 5 hrs) so he didn’t have the scientific research to back up how diet could affect my auto immune. Went to integrative MD who changed my diet and has me switch medications and guess what - I feel amazing. And I decreased my meds....meaning my thyroid is functioning much better than it has since I was a teenager.

- one of my DD has serious constipation issues for years and Childrens specialist put her on Miralax indefinitely .... do some reading, that’s horrible for kids. OUr integrative MD changed her diet and guess what, been perfectly regular ever since.

- one of my other DD got cliff at 18mos old after 1 round of antibiotics for an ear infection. Ended up hospitalized. Then got it again. At that point we’re talking scary - perhaps part of her colon needs to be removed. This time saw head of Infectious Disease at Childrens and got recs but again, she ended up with another cliff infection. Totally changed her diet, healed her gut, and she’s thriving.

- my husbands MD had put him on Zyrtec years ago for contact dermatitis ... seems harmless until he realized hes taking a medicine every day for inflammation and that maybe he should just address that inflammation. Integrative MD figured out why his skin was in inflammatory state, and no more daily Zyrtec.

So yes, instead of popping pills every day and feeling like crap, I want better for my family, so yes I do believe in functional medicine. B/c it often works beautifully for issues that western medicine cannot figure out.

You don’t need to buy into it. But don’t use Wikipedia to back up an ill informed opinion.

Totally agree. I am all about western meds and doctors, but so much can be resolved naturally too. I don't mean life threatening, obvious things- but my dad had one episode of high blood pressure and has been put on meds for over 10 years for it. Caused him to pass out recently when they finally realized he actually didn't need the meds or that high of a dose.

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OP I so agree w you. My daughter is 12 and I asked Ped if I could do some research on this before consenting. Our functional practitioner says she sees many kids after vaccine injuries.

The fact that you see a functional practitioner in the first place already means you don't trust actual science based medicine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_medicine

The fact that you use Wikipedia for information means you are very short sighted 😬

Okay. Which part of the Wikipeda entry is incorrect? Please cite sources that you deem credible so that I may educate myself.

The entire entry. My integrative MD has resolved more than our regular MDs.
Just a couple of examples:
- Had Hashimotos for 17yrs. Bloodwork always fine but I felt like crap. My Ivy LEague educated endocrinologist admitted they don’t learn about nutrition in medical school (ok fine 5 hrs) so he didn’t have the scientific research to back up how diet could affect my auto immune. Went to integrative MD who changed my diet and has me switch medications and guess what - I feel amazing. And I decreased my meds....meaning my thyroid is functioning much better than it has since I was a teenager.

- one of my DD has serious constipation issues for years and Childrens specialist put her on Miralax indefinitely .... do some reading, that’s horrible for kids. OUr integrative MD changed her diet and guess what, been perfectly regular ever since.

- one of my other DD got cliff at 18mos old after 1 round of antibiotics for an ear infection. Ended up hospitalized. Then got it again. At that point we’re talking scary - perhaps part of her colon needs to be removed. This time saw head of Infectious Disease at Childrens and got recs but again, she ended up with another cliff infection. Totally changed her diet, healed her gut, and she’s thriving.

- my husbands MD had put him on Zyrtec years ago for contact dermatitis ... seems harmless until he realized hes taking a medicine every day for inflammation and that maybe he should just address that inflammation. Integrative MD figured out why his skin was in inflammatory state, and no more daily Zyrtec.

So yes, instead of popping pills every day and feeling like crap, I want better for my family, so yes I do believe in functional medicine. B/c it often works beautifully for issues that western medicine cannot figure out.

You don’t need to buy into it. But don’t use Wikipedia to back up an ill informed opinion.

Totally agree. I am all about western meds and doctors, but so much can be resolved naturally too. I don't mean life threatening, obvious things- but my dad had one episode of high blood pressure and has been put on meds for over 10 years for it. Caused him to pass out recently when they finally realized he actually didn't need the meds or that high of a dose.

I am not surprised his needs changed over those 10 years, especially if he made lifestyle changes (more exercise, lost weight, less stress). Doesn't mean that he needed the same approach 10 years ago, or that this was not the appropriate choice back then.

A diagnosis of high blood pressure requires multiple readings on separate occasions. It's the diagnostic criteria. Are you sure it was just one documented event?

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Will those that don’t get the vaccine benefit from herd immunity?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, of course I did. Had a conversation about it with my Ped, who I trust. She also had it for her children. HPV is no joke. So, yes, DC received the shot.

This is me as well. I have a son and a daughter. Both got the shot at the recommended time. It minimizes the chance of getting a type of cancer. I’m on board with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Will those that don’t get the vaccine benefit from herd immunity?

Of course. Less risk of catching it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So my 12-year old and 14-year old son got their first HPV vaccine 3 hours ago.

14-year old - arm only mildly sore.

12-year old- got glassy eyed at dinner and flushed face (2 hours after shot) and says he has a headache. His arm was also much more sore than his older brother.

We just gave 12-year old Tylenol for headache and I’m watching him to see how he’s doing.

I work in vaccine and opted out prior years due to potential side effects (they have gotten every other vaccine on time with zero hesitation from me and get a flu shot every fall). The HPV vaccine gave me pause because there was a lot more out there about potential side effects.

Update: younger one feeling better

Older one feels extremely dizzy today.

I’m so f@cking pissed I didn’t follow my yeti cars on this one.

Doctor f@cking outright lied about side effects they are seeing.

[Anonymous]

^ instincts- not yeti cars

I asked if it was like the shingles vaccine for adults- if they would feel ill for a few days.

“Oh no. Nobody has side effects from this. We highly recommend it.”

Talk to other people and thus us complete bullsh@t.

We aren’t getting 2nd dose.

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Anonymous wrote:So my 12-year old and 14-year old son got their first HPV vaccine 3 hours ago.

14-year old - arm only mildly sore.

12-year old- got glassy eyed at dinner and flushed face (2 hours after shot) and says he has a headache. His arm was also much more sore than his older brother.

We just gave 12-year old Tylenol for headache and I’m watching him to see how he’s doing.

I work in vaccine and opted out prior years due to potential side effects (they have gotten every other vaccine on time with zero hesitation from me and get a flu shot every fall). The HPV vaccine gave me pause because there was a lot more out there about potential side effects.

Update: younger one feeling better

Older one feels extremely dizzy today.

I’m so f@cking pissed I didn’t follow my yeti cars on this one.

Doctor f@cking outright lied about side effects they are seeing.

Seriously? Those are known potential side effects of pretty much every vaccine. The whole point is they cause an immune response. Made them feel bad for 25 hours is probably ably better than spreading cancer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^ instincts- not yeti cars

I asked if it was like the shingles vaccine for adults- if they would feel ill for a few days.

“Oh no. Nobody has side effects from this. We highly recommend it.”

Talk to other people and thus us complete bullsh@t.

We aren’t getting 2nd dose.

My DD got a fever, chills and aches one year after the flu shot. The pediatrician said this wasn’t uncommon and predicted it would last 48 hours, and that’s exactly what happened. What you describe, PP, are common side effects that should resolve over the next day or two. Now, if they continue beyond that then I would agree with your inclination not to get a 2nd shot.

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It feels like this whole thread was a set-up for a personal story, and that story is going to be told with great detail over a period of days to weeks. I hope that isn't the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Will those that don’t get the vaccine benefit from herd immunity?

Of course. Less risk of catching it.

But all it takes is one intimate partner who is infected. It’s a big risk since you could even get infected from a sexual assault. . And many adults will have more than one intimate partner.