Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

[Anonymous]

We need our phones tracked by the gubmt and decoders to allow us into places. Martial law if assholes get out of hand and hard fines for people who don’t wear masks in public places

[Anonymous]

NJ is reopening and cases aren't going up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope, complete overkill. All we need is a mask mandate.

Well, I would do it, but I agree that a mask mandate could be just as effective. But, a real mask mandate, so no indoor dining or other bullshit.

+1

[Anonymous]

Yes. We have been doing that anyways at home since March. I did get a "mild" case of COVID and recovered. I am still not 100% like where I was in Feb. Very easily winded and exhausted.

So, family of 4. 2 HS kids. Working from home. Kids have shown no inclination to socialize in person.

Give us a head's up. Keep essential stuff open. Give money to individuals rather than businesses. Use army and reserves to harvest and distribute the produce, milk and meat from farmers. We can do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Freedumb and stupidity. China handled this with ease while we will be swimming in this mess for years

I love authoritarian communist regimes shouted the anxious moron.

Oh yes. Please open your eyes up fool. America is a wasteland

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

[Anonymous]

I worry that telling people ahead about a 4-week full shutdown, with potentially limited options to gt food/supplies, would lead to massive hoarding and shortages - much worse this time than last. I think keeping grocery stores and drug stores open per normal hours is better overall for the effectiveness of a shutdown (if people panic, the shutdown will go poorly).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

Then how are human beings supposed to meet each other, date, marry, and reproduce?

Again, I'm talking long term here. You can't put the human courtship and reproductive system on hold for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
JUST STOP


STOP SAYING THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need our phones tracked by the gubmt and decoders to allow us into places. Martial law if assholes get out of hand and hard fines for people who don’t wear masks in public places

Okay Vlad. Please leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
JUST STOP


STOP SAYING THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

What? Why? How has not acknowledging the reality helped us so far?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
JUST STOP


STOP SAYING THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

?
We got used to metal detectors and screenings after 9-11. We got used to lockdown drills after the NRA made right-wingers paranoid about losing their guns. We got used to losing healthcare, pensions, clean air and clean food. Now we have to get used to the consequences of gutting our public health system and social supports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Exactly this. We can't keep shutting everything down for weeks and months at a time over and over again. It's not working. So, those at high risk, stay home, use good hygiene, especially if you have family members who are circulating, and take care of your health. Guaranteed, at least 30% of the population has already had the virus. It is mostly harmless. I know, cue all the posters saying, "but, damaged lungs, long-term effects..."

If we listened to science and the examples of other countries overseas, we wouldn't have to keep doing things over and over again. It is possible to get spread under control enough to use test-quarantine-contact trace to manage small outbreaks. That's what they are doing in Europe now. Every once in a while there's a larger outbreak of 100-200 cases, and an area shut down of 2 weeks is used just for that one city. But otherwise, they are all wearing masks in many countries, but they are able to go more about their lives now -- and even travel for recreation from country to country.

It should be instructive to you that we in the US are not allowed to travel to Europe or even Canada now. They think we are crazy for letting this virus that has caused so much damage spread till it is impossible to control; till we are running our of tests and PPE again; till all our schools need to be closed.

I just wish we could get to a point where social distancing isn't a thing anymore. Humans are social animals. We can't stay six feet apart forever. We need to have fun, meet each other, date, marry, hold celebrations and festivals, that's just part of being a human. So I would rather have a three month hardcore lockdown if it can get us back to this sooner, instead of years upon years of openings and closings with the constant expectation of being six feet apart.

Let me explain. Right now, we don't have to be social animals. We can't obey the simple rule of wearing a mask and you are talking about having festivals if we do a hard lock down? Beating this virus and going back to life as it was is a marathon. It might take until we have a mass vaccination, or it might mutate and we will need yearly vaccinations. We can hope for normalcy as we knew it before, or we can get adjusted to a little bit different reality for years to come. We don't know what the future holds. We just like to think we do. Part of being a human, is that we are adaptable. Those that adapt survive. We are witnessing this right now. Might be that a new human is not that social for a while.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
JUST STOP


STOP SAYING THIS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!

?
We got used to metal detectors and screenings after 9-11. We got used to lockdown drills after the NRA made right-wingers paranoid about losing their guns. We got used to losing healthcare, pensions, clean air and clean food. Now we have to get used to the consequences of gutting our public health system and social supports.

Because maybe I am misinterpreting what you are saying here but it sounds like what you are predicting here is a permanently socially isolated human species. Will people ever have sex again if they are not in live-in relationships as of March 2020? Will there ever be any semblance of joy, celebration, consoling someone with a hug, Thanksgiving dinners, holiday celebrations of any kind, the entire entertainment industry, international travel?
Again, Im not some weak snowflake demanding this happen on some arbitrary date in 2021. I am talking about EVER.
Because - being quite honest here, - If we are doomed to a world with no physical contact EVER with a person outside of our current household, then I don't want to live anymore.