French ban on burqas - what is your take?

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What's the difference?

really?

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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/france-to-ban-spiderman-201001272418/

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What's the difference?

really?

the lady on the left can haply spend time playing with some make up to emphasize her eyes, now, the other lady don't have to worry about it.
And I say it seriously... for the ladies that wear "the scarf" it is a big deal to chose one like for some of us going shopping for shoes or so.

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I guess I have changed my mind to some degree after reading this thread. While I personally would feel I was losing my identity [b]for no good reason [/b ]while wearing a burqa or a niqab, I see that some Muslim women may be so accustomed to wearing them that they would feel almost naked without it. So, I have softened my views of these women if they really like wearing them, I guess more power to them (6:40, I'm talking to you as you compared shopping for a niqab to shoes... well, I can related to that!).

However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

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However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

I think that's a good point.

If you saw someone walking down the street in a full ski mask, or if you were in an elevator with a man covered from head to toe, would you feel safe? I don't think I'd get into an elevator with someone who was completely covered in a sheet, etc. If I was robbed or raped, there would be absolutely no way to ever identify the person.

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However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

I think that's a good point.

If you saw someone walking down the street in a full ski mask, or if you were in an elevator with a man covered from head to toe, would you feel safe? I don't think I'd get into an elevator with someone who was completely covered in a sheet, etc. If I was robbed or raped, there would be absolutely no way to ever identify the person.

the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

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However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

I think that's a good point.

If you saw someone walking down the street in a full ski mask, or if you were in an elevator with a man covered from head to toe, would you feel safe? I don't think I'd get into an elevator with someone who was completely covered in a sheet, etc. If I was robbed or raped, there would be absolutely no way to ever identify the person.

the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

Point taken. However, you would merely be uncomfortable riding in an elevator with a nearly naked person. If I were in an elevator with a cloaked anonymous person, I would be concerned about who is under there and if they are malicious.

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However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

I think that's a good point.

If you saw someone walking down the street in a full ski mask, or if you were in an elevator with a man covered from head to toe, would you feel safe? I don't think I'd get into an elevator with someone who was completely covered in a sheet, etc. If I was robbed or raped, there would be absolutely no way to ever identify the person.

the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

Point taken. However, you would merely be uncomfortable riding in an elevator with a nearly naked person. If I were in an elevator with a cloaked anonymous person, I would be concerned about who is under there and if they are malicious.

I think it's all about what you are used to.

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However, when all is said and done, I still stand by my assertion that a burqa provides the perfect cover (no pun intended) for a terrorist to conceal a detonator vest while at the same time concealing his entire identity as well as his gender. I just have a problem with ANYONE walking down the street anonymously with every bit of identifying characteristics blotted out. Cat burglar in a full ski mask, person under a burqa, same problem for me.

I think that's a good point.

If you saw someone walking down the street in a full ski mask, or if you were in an elevator with a man covered from head to toe, would you feel safe? I don't think I'd get into an elevator with someone who was completely covered in a sheet, etc. If I was robbed or raped, there would be absolutely no way to ever identify the person.

the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

oh and there's nothing malicious about riding on an elevator being naked, right?
Point taken. However, you would merely be uncomfortable riding in an elevator with a nearly naked person. If I were in an elevator with a cloaked anonymous person, I would be concerned about who is under there and if they are malicious.

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oh and there's nothing malicious about riding on an elevator being naked, right?


Point taken. However, you would merely be uncomfortable riding in an elevator with a nearly naked person. If I were in an elevator with a cloaked anonymous person, I would be concerned about who is under there and if they are malicious.

Luckily for you, PP, it is illegal in the US and probably France to walk around the streets naked. If you choose to continue to argue the inane, I guess your rights are totally protected - - you will never have to ride in an elevator with a naked person, and if you do, you are within your rights to call 911 and report him/her.
Now, if you want to argue you think that a nearly naked person could be malicious, at least you have the ability to size that person up, see his/her face, recognize gender, skin color, and have a pretty good idea he's not wearing a detonator vest on his nearly naked person, right?

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11:17 here. Before anyone gets riled up over my mention of skin color in my previous post, my list was of distinguishing characteristics you'd give police if you were assaulted, and not conveying racial overtones.

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oh and there's nothing malicious about riding on an elevator being naked, right?


Point taken. However, you would merely be uncomfortable riding in an elevator with a nearly naked person. If I were in an elevator with a cloaked anonymous person, I would be concerned about who is under there and if they are malicious.

Luckily for you, PP, it is illegal in the US and probably France to walk around the streets naked. If you choose to continue to argue the inane, I guess your rights are totally protected - - you will never have to ride in an elevator with a naked person, and if you do, you are within your rights to call 911 and report him/her.
Now, if you want to argue you think that a nearly naked person could be malicious, at least you have the ability to size that person up, see his/her face, recognize gender, skin color, and have a pretty good idea he's not wearing a detonator vest on his nearly naked person, right?

what if the person is wearing regular clothes and has explosives in their underwear? how will we protect ourselves?

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the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

It's not the same.

A naked person has plenty (probably too many) identifiable characteristics. If he was caught on video camera robbing me in an elevator, it would be easier to find him, versus someone covered from head to toe.

I don't care what people wear in their house, or in their back yard. Naked or burqa.

There's a lady at my son's daycare who wears hijab. I've never discussed it with her, but I'm pretty sure she's made the decision because it's something she wants to do. More power to her. I don't care if she wears a hijab. I can still tell that it's her holding my son because of her body structure, facial features, etc.

However, I would absolutely never leave my son at a daycare if someone working there was wearing a burqa (or a niqab). It would be too easy for someone to impersonate her. How would I know who was taking my son at the door?

The problem with being covered head to toe is that you are completely unidentifiable.

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the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

It's not the same.

A naked person has plenty (probably too many) identifiable characteristics. If he was caught on video camera robbing me in an elevator, it would be easier to find him, versus someone covered from head to toe.

I don't care what people wear in their house, or in their back yard. Naked or burqa.

There's a lady at my son's daycare who wears hijab. I've never discussed it with her, but I'm pretty sure she's made the decision because it's something she wants to do. More power to her. I don't care if she wears a hijab. I can still tell that it's her holding my son because of her body structure, facial features, etc.

However, I would absolutely never leave my son at a daycare if someone working there was wearing a burqa (or a niqab). It would be too easy for someone to impersonate her. How would I know who was taking my son at the door?

The problem with being covered head to toe is that you are completely unidentifiable.

OK, I just jumped into this thread. But has anyone actually identified a crime problem with Burqas? I am betting that the number of crimes committed by people wearing them is near zero, and that this argument has no basis in reality.

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the same way, I would feel uncomfortable ridding the elevator with someone naked or barely dressed. it's their choice to wear whatever they want for whatever reason they chose. if you don't feel safe lock yourself at home.

It's not the same.

A naked person has plenty (probably too many) identifiable characteristics. If he was caught on video camera robbing me in an elevator, it would be easier to find him, versus someone covered from head to toe.

I don't care what people wear in their house, or in their back yard. Naked or burqa.

There's a lady at my son's daycare who wears hijab. I've never discussed it with her, but I'm pretty sure she's made the decision because it's something she wants to do. More power to her. I don't care if she wears a hijab. I can still tell that it's her holding my son because of her body structure, facial features, etc.

However, I would absolutely never leave my son at a daycare if someone working there was wearing a burqa (or a niqab). It would be too easy for someone to impersonate her. How would I know who was taking my son at the door?

The problem with being covered head to toe is that you are completely unidentifiable.

OK, I just jumped into this thread. But has anyone actually identified a crime problem with Burqas? I am betting that the number of crimes committed by people wearing them is near zero, and that this argument has no basis in reality.

There is crime in the war zones. But nothing (so far?) here.