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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Make up your mind. Either people "just happen" to live somewhere zoned for these segregated schools, or they live there specifically because it's zoned for these segregated schools that are the "best schools in the county." Which is it?

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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Make up your mind. Either people "just happen" to live somewhere zoned for these segregated schools, or they live there specifically because it's zoned for these segregated schools that are the "best schools in the county." Which is it?

I thought I made it clear. People make decisions on where they want to live based on a number of factors, school being one of them.

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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Make up your mind. Either people "just happen" to live somewhere zoned for these segregated schools, or they live there specifically because it's zoned for these segregated schools that are the "best schools in the county." Which is it?

I thought I made it clear. People make decisions on where they want to live based on a number of factors, school being one of them.

I like my yard and that I’m close to the city and the country at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people with diverse background in Potomac. Lots of Asians who are not necessarily rich but who like the good schools here. One family is clear a working class in my neighborhood, another is a high school teacher. Lots of black and Hispanics too. It's certainly not lily white.

Also lots of people who are obviously very rich and drive fancy European cars. My DS said a parent who was a CEO gave a talk to them in middle school.

It's 80% white/asian... so no, not diverse.

Where did you get that wrong number from? You can find the real numbers here: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

It shows that Churchill is 48.5% white, 28.6% Asian

48.5+28.6 = 77.1 ~ 80

So 77.1% white/asian... still not diverse

So at first Churchill was “not diverse” and now you see actual statistics that it’s actually 50% not white. That actually seems pretty diverse to me. So there wasn’t enough before and now there’s diversity but not the “right kind.” Ok.

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Many Asian families in Potomac are not rich. One in my neighborhood is a working class, the man drives a dirty working minivan and shares the house with one or two renters. Some are NIH technicians. These people provide racially and culturally diversification.

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of people with diverse background in Potomac. Lots of Asians who are not necessarily rich but who like the good schools here. One family is clear a working class in my neighborhood, another is a high school teacher. Lots of black and Hispanics too. It's certainly not lily white.

Also lots of people who are obviously very rich and drive fancy European cars. My DS said a parent who was a CEO gave a talk to them in middle school.

It's 80% white/asian... so no, not diverse.

The school is less than 50% white and asians apparently don't count as diversity.

If you want to see more black and hispanic people then say you want more black and hispanic people. If you want to talk about class then talk about class.

But stop grouping white people and asians together.

The two groups are not equivalent to each other, and even within the umbrella term "Asian," a person from India is not the same as someone from Korea.

I didn't say white and asian people are the same but if ~80% of a school is 2 types of people it's not diverse. Yea... and somebody from Maryland is not the same as somebody from Idaho... so what... it's not diverse, just own it . You sound really ignorant trying to say it is divers.

So it sounds like you’re saying boys from India, Vietnam, Philippines and Japan are somehow equivalent to a white boy from Idaho. Yet, none of those boys are equivalent to a Hispanic boy.

Or you think all schools need a 25% white/Asian/black/Hispanic ratio or else it isn’t diverse.

Got it.

Put your wine down and try again in the morning.

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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Thanks for clearly defining SYSTEMATIC raciam.

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Lots of schools in the area are 80% black and Latino combined but they're called diverse. Just saying. Anyway just curious what you would do with the diversity problem you indicated. Black and Hispanic families are welcome to the school if they live in the cluster.

You're pointing out that a public school in 2020 is obeying the law of the land since 1954, by not excluding black and Hispanic students who are zoned for that school. Yay, I guess?

Yes, that's what I'm pointing out because people here are very judgemental towards families who happen to attend schools that have a higher percentage of white and Asian students than other schools in the county. Why get mad of them? If the county really wants to even out the percentages, then the county needs to either a) open up the W neighborhoods to more affordable housing b)allow school choice c) reassign boundaries. Personally, I prefer a&b.

"Families who happen to attend schools..." Purely coincidentally. Who knows how that came about! Just all of a sudden, one day, there they were!

You proved my point.

I have talked to plenty of people, in real life, who said, "We bought this house so that we would be close to the best schools." If they then complained about being judged for happening to attend these schools, I would have to work hard to not roll my eyes.

I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Thanks for clearly defining SYSTEMATIC raciam.

This is non-sense.

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I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Thanks for clearly defining SYSTEMATIC raciam.

This is non-sense.

Nah, it makes sense. The so-called "best schools" are the ones that have the fewest students from poor families. And since income/wealth in the US are correlated with race/ethnicity for historical reasons you are surely familiar with, the "best schools" also tend to have very few black and Latino students. You know that, i know that, the PP knows that, everyone knows that.

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I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Thanks for clearly defining SYSTEMATIC raciam.

This is non-sense.

Nah, it makes sense. The so-called "best schools" are the ones that have the fewest students from poor families. And since income/wealth in the US are correlated with race/ethnicity for historical reasons you are surely familiar with, the "best schools" also tend to have very few black and Latino students. You know that, i know that, the PP knows that, everyone knows that.

You don’t “jusf so happen” to live in an $800k house. It doesn’t happen by accident or something!

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I'm again baffled why you would do that. When you have things like Great Schools or US News announcing that these are the best schools in the county, then why would you judge someone for wanting to attend those schools? I mean, the resources available to the public are supplying us with this information, so if you have an issue with how they are rating the schools, then you need to be mad at that.. not at the people who are using this data to drive their decisions.

Thanks for clearly defining SYSTEMATIC raciam.

This is non-sense.

Nah, it makes sense. The so-called "best schools" are the ones that have the fewest students from poor families. And since income/wealth in the US are correlated with race/ethnicity for historical reasons you are surely familiar with, the "best schools" also tend to have very few black and Latino students. You know that, i know that, the PP knows that, everyone knows that.

You don’t “jusf so happen” to live in an $800k house. It doesn’t happen by accident or something!

So what do you suggest that families with the means to buy $800k+ homes do when making a house purchasing decision ? Should they all choose the Northwest HS cluster in Germantown because it has the perfect racial diversity and ignore all other factors like commute? Should they choose the Kennedy HS neighborhood, a school that is not diverse, so that they can intentionally help increase it's white or Asian population while ignoring all other factors like HS graduation rates, etc?

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So what do you suggest that families with the means to buy $800k+ homes do when making a house purchasing decision ? Should they all choose the Northwest HS cluster in Germantown because it has the perfect racial diversity and ignore all other factors like commute? Should they choose the Kennedy HS neighborhood, a school that is not diverse, so that they can intentionally help increase it's white or Asian population while ignoring all other factors like HS graduation rates, etc?

There are plenty of high schools in MCPS that are less segregated than either Churchill or Kennedy.

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So what do you suggest that families with the means to buy $800k+ homes do when making a house purchasing decision ? Should they all choose the Northwest HS cluster in Germantown because it has the perfect racial diversity and ignore all other factors like commute? Should they choose the Kennedy HS neighborhood, a school that is not diverse, so that they can intentionally help increase it's white or Asian population while ignoring all other factors like HS graduation rates, etc?

There are plenty of high schools in MCPS that are less segregated than either Churchill or Kennedy.

^^^and $800,000 homes are available in all of those high schools' current boundaries.

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You can start by not vehemently opposing the boundary changes.

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So what do you suggest that families with the means to buy $800k+ homes do when making a house purchasing decision ? Should they all choose the Northwest HS cluster in Germantown because it has the perfect racial diversity and ignore all other factors like commute? Should they choose the Kennedy HS neighborhood, a school that is not diverse, so that they can intentionally help increase it's white or Asian population while ignoring all other factors like HS graduation rates, etc?

There are plenty of high schools in MCPS that are less segregated than either Churchill or Kennedy.

^^^and $800,000 homes are available in all of those high schools' current boundaries.

Do you really think that should be the, or even a major, factor when people decide where to live? That’s crazy. I’m not going to plan my life based on what schools is most diverse at the moment I buy.

I’m going to look at commute to work. I’m going to look at distance to church or other community activity important to me. I’m going to look at places near to other amenities I want. To the extent I am looking a schools, I’m going to look where I think my kids will get a good education, which may or may not be the most diverse (as you define diversity) school.