22% of MD’s cases and 50% of the deaths are in nursing homes

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It makes sense.

First, Older people are more likely to die from this disease. So age seems like a strong reason for the deaths in nursing homes.

Additionally, it is difficult to practice any form of social distancing in a huge facility where nurses, cleaners, caretakers, cooks are constantly interacting with several people at the time. Additionally, a lot of employees in nursing homes pick up extra work at different facilities.

I think people will move towards finding much smaller facilities for their elderly loved ones.

+1 I think small facilities will become much more popular among those who can afford it (small facilities often do not have Medicaid beds).

Home care might become more popular, too, but it sometimes isn't an option. Even if you can afford aides, some people cannot safely be cared for in a home setting or by one aide/adult. Particularly true for dementia patients and people who have certain medical conditions where care can't easily be provided in a home setting (needs dialysis and isn't a candidate for home dialysis or needs certain therapies, for example).

Home care would be a nightmare right now. Can you imagine what it would be like to not have health care aids show up or what it would be like trying to deal with a frail patient whose regular physician has either reduced their office hours or has limited availability via Teledoc?

It is hard enough to provide home care during the BEST of times. Now just trying to find a facility that is taking new residents would be a nightmare.

My friend is an essential worker. He lives with his mother who has alzheimer's. He has to figure out a way to get care for her right now while he is working. The care workers can only work a limited number of hours and a lot are calling out right now because of possible exposure so he has numerous people coming in and out who his mom is unfamiliar with, which makes it worse. A lot of the new workers aren't able to deal with dementia patients so he is constantly getting emergency calls at work. It's really been a nightmare.

My heart goes out to your friend. He is truly in a terrible, terrible situation.

Yep, I feel bad for him and I am worried about his own mental health between his working an essential job and caregiving without any sort of breaks.

My dad had Alzheimer's and I remember how overwhelming that was to my mom at the time. I didn't live with them at the time but it was hard for me, too. Some things are just too much for one person to handle alone. My dad had to go into a locked Alzheimer's ward which was heartbreaking and nightmarish but really the most appropriate place for his needs.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this... 50% are old people... guess who the other 50% are... NOT OLD PEOPLE. FFS!

Can you please look at data before you shout.

As of 4/28 of the 929 MD confirmed deaths, less than 100 were under the age of 60. 139 were between 60 and 69. The rest were over 70 so approx 74% are over 70. Source MD site.

I did... 55% of the people dying are <80. Most people don't even retire until 65-70... so that is 10-15 years of retirement. What you are saying is that you think 70 is so old they should be dying. Sorry but in my family 70-80 is not old, they are living full independent lives. Golfing, traveling, loving their grandchildren.

30% of the deaths are people that are still working <70.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this... 50% are old people... guess who the other 50% are... NOT OLD PEOPLE. FFS!

Can you please look at data before you shout.

As of 4/28 of the 929 MD confirmed deaths, less than 100 were under the age of 60. 139 were between 60 and 69. The rest were over 70 so approx 74% are over 70. Source MD site.

I did... 55% of the people dying are <80. Most people don't even retire until 65-70... so that is 10-15 years of retirement. What you are saying is that you think 70 is so old they should be dying. Sorry but in my family 70-80 is not old, they are living full independent lives. Golfing, traveling, loving their grandchildren.

30% of the deaths are people that are still working <70.

NP. PP, you clearly can't be reasoned with. As stated multiple times in this thread, nobody is saying lives over 60 don't matter. NOBODY. What they are saying is that our response needs to change based on the data to focus on those over 60. The majority of the workforce is not over 60, bottom line. So the response needs to be altered to address that.

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The average life expectancy in the US is about 78, which is pretty similar to the average age of death for COVID-19 victims. Some states it's even higher than the average life expectancy. Sort of interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this... 50% are old people... guess who the other 50% are... NOT OLD PEOPLE. FFS!

Can you please look at data before you shout.

As of 4/28 of the 929 MD confirmed deaths, less than 100 were under the age of 60. 139 were between 60 and 69. The rest were over 70 so approx 74% are over 70. Source MD site.

I did... 55% of the people dying are <80. Most people don't even retire until 65-70... so that is 10-15 years of retirement. What you are saying is that you think 70 is so old they should be dying. Sorry but in my family 70-80 is not old, they are living full independent lives. Golfing, traveling, loving their grandchildren.

30% of the deaths are people that are still working <70.

They may be of working age but it is doubtful that they are all well enough to work. There are 40 year old and 50 year old people in nursing homes unfortunately. Also, it has been well documented that heart attacks, strokes and other very serious issues have been counted as Covid-19 deaths....which sort of skews the numbers in a way that is, quite frankly, misleading to the public.

Have I known otherwise healthy, active, vibrant people to suddenly drop dead of a heart attack? Yes. Do people under 60 sometimes get terrible, terminal illnesses? Yes. But that happened before Covid-19.

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Anonymous wrote:The average life expectancy in the US is about 78, which is pretty similar to the average age of death for COVID-19 victims. Some states it's even higher than the average life expectancy. Sort of interesting.

Yep.

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I’m surprised at the members — the death rate is lower in these facilities with outbreaks than I would expect. Some of them have over 100 cases and less than 10 deaths, and in a critically ill population I would expect it to be higher.

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Question about the Maryland.gov numbers. Do they include infected staff as well as residents of the nursing homes? Because I know there are 10 infected residents at my workplace but the number reported on the website for my facility is double that. So perhaps it’s including staff?

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I’ve read several times now that staff members often work at multiple facilities to make ends meet- is thus still happening? Seems like you need to put a stop to that pronto.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised at the members — the death rate is lower in these facilities with outbreaks than I would expect. Some of them have over 100 cases and less than 10 deaths, and in a critically ill population I would expect it to be higher.

It doesn’t mean they have recovered. Some people are sick for several weeks before they die.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read several times now that staff members often work at multiple facilities to make ends meet- is thus still happening? Seems like you need to put a stop to that pronto.

I have heard that it is still true.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read several times now that staff members often work at multiple facilities to make ends meet- is thus still happening? Seems like you need to put a stop to that pronto.

I have heard that it is still true.

It’s still true and you can’t put a stop to it...Many staff will Work multiple facilities or work home health or private aide jobs. For some specialized staff like physical therapists, they need to work multiple facilities a week. And doctors will have other patients at their office or hospital too.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read several times now that staff members often work at multiple facilities to make ends meet- is thus still happening? Seems like you need to put a stop to that pronto.

I have heard that it is still true.

You can’t stop it unless you pay MUCH better. You can’t tell someone making 13 bucks an hour they can’t take another job (well you can but they would quit there). And you still have doctors and physical and occupational therapists and other specialized providers coming in and out.

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Anonymous wrote:We need higher wages for those who work with the elderly, but also more use of technology and robots.

Because that is what seniors need: Even less contact with humans.

It is with bitter irony that I post this:

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read several times now that staff members often work at multiple facilities to make ends meet- is thus still happening? Seems like you need to put a stop to that pronto.

I have heard that it is still true.

It’s still true and you can’t put a stop to it...Many staff will Work multiple facilities or work home health or private aide jobs. For some specialized staff like physical therapists, they need to work multiple facilities a week. And doctors will have other patients at their office or hospital too.

This is insane- why can’t it be stopped? Divert some stimulus money to pay staff better and figure this eff-ing out. If we were truly concerned about protecting the most vulnerable people this would have been enacted weeks ago. What good is it to have schools and businesses closed when all of these people are circulating around to multiple centers? That’s not social distancing in the least. WTF.