Pipeline to ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people in the DC bubble were surprised that Trump won. Their collective heads were so far up their own a$$e$ that they couldn't tell heads from tails even though the signs were all around them.

I can post a dozen letters/interviews from established clubs explaining why they either left the DA or turned down an offer. HS is always one of the leading considerations. There are girls who live and attend HS in DC/MD but play at McLean. If they hated HS ball, they would bail on HS and just do McLean. But they don't because they like HS.

Again, HS is weak but the girls still like playing for their HS. . Don't tell me girls who play at McDonough, St. Johns, Good Counsel, Mercy, Spaulding, Sidwell, Maret, GV, Whitman, QO, etc., don't like HS. I have gone to the games. Those girls love playing for their HS teams.

If Pipeline does end up going ECNL, you can bet that one of the main considerations was that their girls wanted to play HS.

HS is weak and you can stop there. It is weak. There is no upside. It is poorly coached, poorly officiated, plays to the lowest tactical level that can be cohesively designed for a ever changing roster over 3 short months.

It is 6 days a week, multiple games per week. Training is geared mostly towards fitness with little balance or care for the overall health of the girls. The variance of experience from level of club soccer to 4 year age and playing experience difference turns the game into the simplest of styles geared solely for the quickest possible results.

It, is awful. Half the kids playing are so bad the game needs to be simplified or is automatically simplified by a unsophisticated coach just to get the most out of the weakest links on the team.

Yup. No upside. Just call it off. Cancel HS soccer. Also, call off most other HS sports as it's just a waste of time. I guess we can keep football and basketball, but screw the rest.

While we are at it let's call off D3 college sports. That's useless too. They aren't going pro.

A team that changes every year and only plays together 3 months a year is destined to be terrible and the lowest form of organized soccer in spite of the talent.

BSC claiming how arduous 4 days a week of DA practice is for kids yet believes 6 days a week with multiple games a week IS fine.

HS teams around here have more continuity than club teams. The soccer isnt the reason why girls like it. Its not about the soccer.

You lose seniors and add sophomores and freshmen every year. There is easily a 50% roster churn rate every year in HS soccer and HS sports in general.

If it isn’t about the soccer then join a club.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people in the DC bubble were surprised that Trump won. Their collective heads were so far up their own a$$e$ that they couldn't tell heads from tails even though the signs were all around them.

I can post a dozen letters/interviews from established clubs explaining why they either left the DA or turned down an offer. HS is always one of the leading considerations. There are girls who live and attend HS in DC/MD but play at McLean. If they hated HS ball, they would bail on HS and just do McLean. But they don't because they like HS.

Again, HS is weak but the girls still like playing for their HS. . Don't tell me girls who play at McDonough, St. Johns, Good Counsel, Mercy, Spaulding, Sidwell, Maret, GV, Whitman, QO, etc., don't like HS. I have gone to the games. Those girls love playing for their HS teams.

If Pipeline does end up going ECNL, you can bet that one of the main considerations was that their girls wanted to play HS.

HS is weak and you can stop there. It is weak. There is no upside. It is poorly coached, poorly officiated, plays to the lowest tactical level that can be cohesively designed for a ever changing roster over 3 short months.

It is 6 days a week, multiple games per week. Training is geared mostly towards fitness with little balance or care for the overall health of the girls. The variance of experience from level of club soccer to 4 year age and playing experience difference turns the game into the simplest of styles geared solely for the quickest possible results.

It, is awful. Half the kids playing are so bad the game needs to be simplified or is automatically simplified by a unsophisticated coach just to get the most out of the weakest links on the team.

Yup. No upside. Just call it off. Cancel HS soccer. Also, call off most other HS sports as it's just a waste of time. I guess we can keep football and basketball, but screw the rest.

While we are at it let's call off D3 college sports. That's useless too. They aren't going pro.

A team that changes every year and only plays together 3 months a year is destined to be terrible and the lowest form of organized soccer in spite of the talent.

BSC claiming how arduous 4 days a week of DA practice is for kids yet believes 6 days a week with multiple games a week IS fine.

HS teams around here have more continuity than club teams. The soccer isnt the reason why girls like it. Its not about the soccer.

You lose seniors and add sophomores and freshmen every year. There is easily a 50% roster churn rate every year in HS soccer and HS sports in general.

If it isn’t about the soccer then join a club.

That is just pathetic. Top notch basketball players play pick-up all the time and plenty of pros will play Vegas and LA summer leagues for fun and fitness. They love playing even when competition is not keen. Somehow soccer is revolting for kids whose teammates just aren’t up to snuff? I can see the fear of potential injuries. I can also see spending your time on academics. But the idea of not doing it because the soccer isn’t first rate. I just cannot imagine how awful sports will be in retrospect for your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:My mom always said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down and beat you with experience." That probably applies here.

I agree. He knows not but thinks he knows is a fool. I have never seen common sense so easily tossed aside as it is with girls' high school soccer fanatics.

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Anonymous wrote:My mom always said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down and beat you with experience." That probably applies here.

I agree. He knows not but thinks he knows is a fool. I have never seen common sense so easily tossed aside as it is with girls' high school soccer fanatics.

I am certainly not that. But to be clear, your daughters wouldn’t play pick-up soccer either? It just has to be club play or nothing?

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whether a girl wants to play high school depends just as much on the high school as it does on the girl. There are plenty of schools in the DMV where no one gives a hoot about supporting or playing for either the boys or girls soccer teams. There are also schools, mostly privates, where it matters a lot socially. So girl plus which high school plus desire to play after high school plus whatever equals choosing ECNL or DA or just high school. It’s not a non-factor but it’s not the only factor.

On the topic of the day — if Pipeline goes ECNL, the Maryland side of the river may start to resemble the dilution on the Virginia side of the river. Watch Baltimore Armour start to drop like a rock in the DC standings because they lose a player or two per year. On most of these teams, three or so key players are the difference in being in the top of the division or the bottom.

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I have never seen high school so hotly contested on the boys' side, even though it is essentially the same program by all measures. That's what makes this so glaringly not about the soccer but some sort of social status metric. In fact, I have noticed it's not always the girls themselves driving it. They just follow their parents' leads.

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As for Pipeline, it is getting harder and harder to be a non-ECNL/non-DA team and be able to challenge the players. There are fewer and fewer events and venues for teams outside of the larger system of youth soccer. It's not necessarily right or fair, but that's reality. So any club of quality really has to join one to stay viable. And the ECNL right now is the easier one to enter. I say that as no reflection on Pipeline's talent pool.

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Anonymous wrote:whether a girl wants to play high school depends just as much on the high school as it does on the girl. There are plenty of schools in the DMV where no one gives a hoot about supporting or playing for either the boys or girls soccer teams. There are also schools, mostly privates, where it matters a lot socially. So girl plus which high school plus desire to play after high school plus whatever equals choosing ECNL or DA or just high school. It’s not a non-factor but it’s not the only factor.

On the topic of the day — if Pipeline goes ECNL, the Maryland side of the river may start to resemble the dilution on the Virginia side of the river. Watch Baltimore Armour start to drop like a rock in the DC standings because they lose a player or two per year. On most of these teams, three or so key players are the difference in being in the top of the division or the bottom.

Private schools in Baltimore area very good are getting waivers for high school play from BA, so maybe not.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people in the DC bubble were surprised that Trump won. Their collective heads were so far up their own a$$e$ that they couldn't tell heads from tails even though the signs were all around them.

I can post a dozen letters/interviews from established clubs explaining why they either left the DA or turned down an offer. HS is always one of the leading considerations. There are girls who live and attend HS in DC/MD but play at McLean. If they hated HS ball, they would bail on HS and just do McLean. But they don't because they like HS.

Again, HS is weak but the girls still like playing for their HS. . Don't tell me girls who play at McDonough, St. Johns, Good Counsel, Mercy, Spaulding, Sidwell, Maret, GV, Whitman, QO, etc., don't like HS. I have gone to the games. Those girls love playing for their HS teams.

If Pipeline does end up going ECNL, you can bet that one of the main considerations was that their girls wanted to play HS.

HS is weak and you can stop there. It is weak. There is no upside. It is poorly coached, poorly officiated, plays to the lowest tactical level that can be cohesively designed for a ever changing roster over 3 short months.

It is 6 days a week, multiple games per week. Training is geared mostly towards fitness with little balance or care for the overall health of the girls. The variance of experience from level of club soccer to 4 year age and playing experience difference turns the game into the simplest of styles geared solely for the quickest possible results.

It, is awful. Half the kids playing are so bad the game needs to be simplified or is automatically simplified by a unsophisticated coach just to get the most out of the weakest links on the team.

Yup. No upside. Just call it off. Cancel HS soccer. Also, call off most other HS sports as it's just a waste of time. I guess we can keep football and basketball, but screw the rest.

While we are at it let's call off D3 college sports. That's useless too. They aren't going pro.

A team that changes every year and only plays together 3 months a year is destined to be terrible and the lowest form of organized soccer in spite of the talent.

BSC claiming how arduous 4 days a week of DA practice is for kids yet believes 6 days a week with multiple games a week IS fine.

HS teams around here have more continuity than club teams. The soccer isnt the reason why girls like it. Its not about the soccer.

Lord, then why play? Save the money and do something else.

Now you're just being argumentative. Girls play HS soccer for the social aspect, not for the quality of the soccer. It's not like it's expensive.

No, if it's not about the soccer, be one of those multisport people like they talked about on another thread. Do something else. I highly recommend it in fact. That's better than playing high school soccer.

This. I’ve said this many times as well. Play lacrosse, run track anything else but HS soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My mom always said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down and beat you with experience." That probably applies here.

Your mom always said this? Really. How original.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My mom always said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down and beat you with experience." That probably applies here.

I agree. He knows not but thinks he knows is a fool. I have never seen common sense so easily tossed aside as it is with girls' high school soccer fanatics.

You dolt, you can't even get the proverb right.

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McDonogh of Baltimore has a roster of nothing but ECNL and DA girls. They still managed to lose three games including one to a Public school.

Maryland and Virginia are completely different when it comes to HS soccer. Same goes for the rest of the US. Quit grouping people as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My mom always said, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down and beat you with experience." That probably applies here.

I agree. He knows not but thinks he knows is a fool. I have never seen common sense so easily tossed aside as it is with girls' high school soccer fanatics.

You dolt, you can't even get the proverb right.

Dolt? Takes one to know one. It's a translation no matter how you say it, and it's much longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why people in the DC bubble were surprised that Trump won. Their collective heads were so far up their own a$$e$ that they couldn't tell heads from tails even though the signs were all around them.

I can post a dozen letters/interviews from established clubs explaining why they either left the DA or turned down an offer. HS is always one of the leading considerations. There are girls who live and attend HS in DC/MD but play at McLean. If they hated HS ball, they would bail on HS and just do McLean. But they don't because they like HS.

Again, HS is weak but the girls still like playing for their HS. . Don't tell me girls who play at McDonough, St. Johns, Good Counsel, Mercy, Spaulding, Sidwell, Maret, GV, Whitman, QO, etc., don't like HS. I have gone to the games. Those girls love playing for their HS teams.

If Pipeline does end up going ECNL, you can bet that one of the main considerations was that their girls wanted to play HS.

HS is weak and you can stop there. It is weak. There is no upside. It is poorly coached, poorly officiated, plays to the lowest tactical level that can be cohesively designed for a ever changing roster over 3 short months.

It is 6 days a week, multiple games per week. Training is geared mostly towards fitness with little balance or care for the overall health of the girls. The variance of experience from level of club soccer to 4 year age and playing experience difference turns the game into the simplest of styles geared solely for the quickest possible results.

It, is awful. Half the kids playing are so bad the game needs to be simplified or is automatically simplified by a unsophisticated coach just to get the most out of the weakest links on the team.

Yup. No upside. Just call it off. Cancel HS soccer. Also, call off most other HS sports as it's just a waste of time. I guess we can keep football and basketball, but screw the rest.

While we are at it let's call off D3 college sports. That's useless too. They aren't going pro.

A team that changes every year and only plays together 3 months a year is destined to be terrible and the lowest form of organized soccer in spite of the talent.

BSC claiming how arduous 4 days a week of DA practice is for kids yet believes 6 days a week with multiple games a week IS fine.

HS teams around here have more continuity than club teams. The soccer isnt the reason why girls like it. Its not about the soccer.

Lord, then why play? Save the money and do something else.

Now you're just being argumentative. Girls play HS soccer for the social aspect, not for the quality of the soccer. It's not like it's expensive.

No, if it's not about the soccer, be one of those multisport people like they talked about on another thread. Do something else. I highly recommend it in fact. That's better than playing high school soccer.

This. I’ve said this many times as well. Play lacrosse, run track anything else but HS soccer.

Best thing they could possibly do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It makes entirely too much sense for pipeline to go ecnl. Pipeline loses money when players leave for the DA and their teams ability to produce precious state titles and W's is hurt. On the boys side they already keep their best players so it makes zero sense for this move to be without and just for the girls.

That isn’t true, a good number of boys from Pipeline move to da each year.

What's a good number? If Pipeline is a full partner with SAC the boys Armour teams should have roughly the same number of SAC and PSC players. At least in the younger teams they don't - those teams are mainly SAC. And not surprisingly, PSC has better teams than SAC in those younger teams.

Pipeline put 4 boys teams into National League this year (and 4 girls, so combined more than any other team). That's certainly impressive, but does make one wonder if their best players are moving to DA or staying at PSC.