United Methodist Church schism

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Anonymous wrote:Traditionalist here. I am not happy with the proposal either but it seems like the split is unavoidable. I am more curious about how many will eventually leave the UMC and join the new denomination (let’s call it NMC). Currently there are about 6.5 million UMC members in the U.S. Let’s say about 0.5 million or 10 percent leave the methodis church all together. Then we have about 6 million members left. I think at least 1.5 million or 25 percent out of 6 million will join the NMC. Note that this proposal is actually more favorable to traditionalists compared to what PCA or Anglican churches got. 1.5 million is still pretty significant and I am looking forward to the fresh start.

Ok but still, even assuming that none of those 1.5 million are LBGTQ (seem unlikely but for arguments sake we will assume), 4 to 5 or more percent of their children will statistically be LBGTQ. If those members eventually leave, the new denomination will still slowly shrink unless you figure out a way to appeal to new converts.

We will focus on the other 96 percent, as been done for more than two thousand years.

Ouch. But ok. God works in mysterious ways. 2020 years for most to evolve and longer for the rest.

Yes people keep changing and continously evolve.

But God doesn’t change. Gospel doesn’t change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traditionalist here. I am not happy with the proposal either but it seems like the split is unavoidable. I am more curious about how many will eventually leave the UMC and join the new denomination (let’s call it NMC). Currently there are about 6.5 million UMC members in the U.S. Let’s say about 0.5 million or 10 percent leave the methodis church all together. Then we have about 6 million members left. I think at least 1.5 million or 25 percent out of 6 million will join the NMC. Note that this proposal is actually more favorable to traditionalists compared to what PCA or Anglican churches got. 1.5 million is still pretty significant and I am looking forward to the fresh start.

Ok but still, even assuming that none of those 1.5 million are LBGTQ (seem unlikely but for arguments sake we will assume), 4 to 5 or more percent of their children will statistically be LBGTQ. If those members eventually leave, the new denomination will still slowly shrink unless you figure out a way to appeal to new converts.

We will focus on the other 96 percent, as been done for more than two thousand years.

Ouch. But ok. God works in mysterious ways. 2020 years for most to evolve and longer for the rest.

Yes people keep changing and continously evolve.

But God doesn’t change. Gospel doesn’t change.

There you are wrong. God doesn't change and is infallible. However, humans do change and are fallible. People reinterpret scripture and the Bible and their interpretations change the way religion is practiced and taught.

Case in point, homosexuality was not a sin until the mid-20th century. For centuries, the translations said the sin was against pederasty and pedophilia, not against homosexuality. In the mid 20th century, the Greek and German words for pederasty were first translated into homosexuality leading to the divisiveness that we now have.

See various links in this other thread for discussion on that topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/838574.page

There are other cases where human interpretation of Gospel have changed as societal changes have occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Traditionalist here. I am not happy with the proposal either but it seems like the split is unavoidable. I am more curious about how many will eventually leave the UMC and join the new denomination (let’s call it NMC). Currently there are about 6.5 million UMC members in the U.S. Let’s say about 0.5 million or 10 percent leave the methodis church all together. Then we have about 6 million members left. I think at least 1.5 million or 25 percent out of 6 million will join the NMC. Note that this proposal is actually more favorable to traditionalists compared to what PCA or Anglican churches got. 1.5 million is still pretty significant and I am looking forward to the fresh start.

Ok but still, even assuming that none of those 1.5 million are LBGTQ (seem unlikely but for arguments sake we will assume), 4 to 5 or more percent of their children will statistically be LBGTQ. If those members eventually leave, the new denomination will still slowly shrink unless you figure out a way to appeal to new converts.

We will focus on the other 96 percent, as been done for more than two thousand years.

Ouch. But ok. God works in mysterious ways. 2020 years for most to evolve and longer for the rest.

Yes people keep changing and continously evolve.

But God doesn’t change. Gospel doesn’t change.

There you are wrong. God doesn't change and is infallible. However, humans do change and are fallible. People reinterpret scripture and the Bible and their interpretations change the way religion is practiced and taught.

Case in point, homosexuality was not a sin until the mid-20th century. For centuries, the translations said the sin was against pederasty and pedophilia, not against homosexuality. In the mid 20th century, the Greek and German words for pederasty were first translated into homosexuality leading to the divisiveness that we now have.

See various links in this other thread for discussion on that topic: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/838574.page

There are other cases where human interpretation of Gospel have changed as societal changes have occurred.

Nope. I don’t think your example is valid. The word “homosexuality” is relatively new but the old bibles clearly condemn the homosexual behaviors. Check with King James version, which was translated in early 17th century.

Romans chapter 1:

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

First Corinthians chapter 6:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

But you’re right. The interpretation of the gospel has been changed. That doesn’t mean the gospel has been changed.

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Do unto others.......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do unto others.......

Yes, I would like people to preach to me the truth, so I’ll do the same.