Police are searching for two active shooters in Odessa, Texas

[Anonymous]

Why not somehow guarantee anonymity for reporters of concerning individuals?

Let's go for viable solutions here, people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: I agree with the PP that we need to take steps to reduce childhood trauma and neglect. We can see in our own city that when children raise children, they are unable to provide a safe nurturing environment for their children. These scared hurt children, who are laughed at if they show care and concern or interest in anything, grow up and become furious and full of rage, and the cycle continues. I also believe we need to do something about guns right now. It is not either or. We need to reduce childhood trauma and control guns.

Can you quote your source? Or is this just something you hope is true so you can co tiniest to cuddle with your guns?

An elderly Ohio man is alive today because he held a thief at gunpoint in his home until the police arrived. A family in Oklahoma is alive today because a teenager had to kill a home invader to protect his mother and sister. A whole bunch of people are alive today because an elderly retired Marine with his own weapon was among the patrons when an armed robber came in. There are many many more instances like this but you seem to only want to count the dead, but not those that were saved. Any real conversation on gun control must look at both sides of the coin.

Inconvenient truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I agree with the PP that we need to take steps to reduce childhood trauma and neglect. We can see in our own city that when children raise children, they are unable to provide a safe nurturing environment for their children. These scared hurt children, who are laughed at if they show care and concern or interest in anything, grow up and become furious and full of rage, and the cycle continues. I also believe we need to do something about guns right now. It is not either or. We need to reduce childhood trauma and control guns.

Can you quote your source? Or is this just something you hope is true so you can co tiniest to cuddle with your guns?

An elderly Ohio man is alive today because he held a thief at gunpoint in his home until the police arrived. A family in Oklahoma is alive today because a teenager had to kill a home invader to protect his mother and sister. A whole bunch of people are alive today because an elderly retired Marine with his own weapon was among the patrons when an armed robber came in. There are many many more instances like this but you seem to only want to count the dead, but not those that were saved. Any real conversation on gun control must look at both sides of the coin.

Inconvenient truth.

What kind of gun did these "good guys with a gun" have? Willing to bet it wasn't a semi-automatic rifle with a huge ammo clip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Why not somehow guarantee anonymity for reporters of concerning individuals?

Let's go for viable solutions here, people.

Anyone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The 17 month old is recovering

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/baby-shot-face-odessa-shooting

Thank gd

With half her face blown out. Her life is completely altered in one second

The child did not get half her face “blown out.” The mother texted the Gov with an update to her injuries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/us/2019/09/01/governor-greg-abbott-text-mom-victim-child-odessa-texas-midland-vpx.cnn

The mother asks for prayer for her child. Thank G-d this child is up playing and running around!

Um, lip, teeth and tongue damage is pretty significant damage to your face. I get that they are trying to be hopeful and all that, but it is NOT a pretty picture right now. It can be repaired, but she still will probably not be the same.

Lip teeth and tongue is not jaw, cheekbones, eyes and eye sockets, etc. This child is injured but didn’t have her face “blown out.” This child and her family is suffered enough and will go through more suffering and operations. People using her injuries and exaggerating them to prop up their political opinions are despicable. Children with their faces blown out/off aren’t running and playing. You aren’t a doctor and if you are a doctor you arent her doctor so quit using her online to score points with lies.

When your side has to argue that a 17 month old really didn't technically get her face blown off, it is not helping people feel generous towards gun owners. I can't believe this is where we are right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This won’t stop gun violence but it’s a step in the right direction. When police in mid-sized city Texas are adopting this stance, things have changed.

Odessa police chief Michael Gerke declined to name the shooter. “I refuse to. I am not going to give him any notoriety.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/01/texass-second-mass-shooting-august-kills-least/

I think that's BS, frankly. This person committed a crime against society. We understandably want to know who he is try to make sense of this crime. Try to understand what factors DO lead to this sort of crime. I think we have a right to know his name.

How does knowing his name help you understand? We can learn how he came to commit the crime without it.

And really the HOW DID HIS HAPPEN is simply because guns are RAMPANT in our society, encouraged even.

because we can look at his social media history and see if he was a white nationalist, or see his arrest history - and all sorts of things. don’t you want to know who *does* this? obviously we need better gun laws but understanding who is doing the killing helps us understand what sorts of better gun laws we need. also i just want to know and i don’t appreciate the patronizing take that only some people are able to know the name of the killer when it’s a salient derail

Not saying the shooters name publicly (which is now public) doesn’t mean the police won’t investigate. It’s means the shooter won’t get notoriety.
Combing through is SM is not your job citizen detective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 17 month old is recovering

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/amberjamieson/baby-shot-face-odessa-shooting

Thank gd

With half her face blown out. Her life is completely altered in one second

The child did not get half her face “blown out.” The mother texted the Gov with an update to her injuries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/us/2019/09/01/governor-greg-abbott-text-mom-victim-child-odessa-texas-midland-vpx.cnn

The mother asks for prayer for her child. Thank G-d this child is up playing and running around!

Um, lip, teeth and tongue damage is pretty significant damage to your face. I get that they are trying to be hopeful and all that, but it is NOT a pretty picture right now. It can be repaired, but she still will probably not be the same.

Lip teeth and tongue is not jaw, cheekbones, eyes and eye sockets, etc. This child is injured but didn’t have her face “blown out.” This child and her family is suffered enough and will go through more suffering and operations. People using her injuries and exaggerating them to prop up their political opinions are despicable. Children with their faces blown out/off aren’t running and playing. You aren’t a doctor and if you are a doctor you arent her doctor so quit using her online to score points with lies.

When your side has to argue that a 17 month old really didn't technically get her face blown off, it is not helping people feel generous towards gun owners. I can't believe this is where we are right now.

This. You PP, in your cynicism, think that other commenters are using a baby’s injuries to score political points. Maybe we actually just want babies to stop getting shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I agree with the PP that we need to take steps to reduce childhood trauma and neglect. We can see in our own city that when children raise children, they are unable to provide a safe nurturing environment for their children. These scared hurt children, who are laughed at if they show care and concern or interest in anything, grow up and become furious and full of rage, and the cycle continues. I also believe we need to do something about guns right now. It is not either or. We need to reduce childhood trauma and control guns.

Can you quote your source? Or is this just something you hope is true so you can co tiniest to cuddle with your guns?

An elderly Ohio man is alive today because he held a thief at gunpoint in his home until the police arrived. A family in Oklahoma is alive today because a teenager had to kill a home invader to protect his mother and sister. A whole bunch of people are alive today because an elderly retired Marine with his own weapon was among the patrons when an armed robber came in. There are many many more instances like this but you seem to only want to count the dead, but not those that were saved. Any real conversation on gun control must look at both sides of the coin.

Inconvenient truth.

What kind of gun did these "good guys with a gun" have? Willing to bet it wasn't a semi-automatic rifle with a huge ammo clip.[/quote]

+1 That's what's absolutely not needed.

[Anonymous]

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"See something - Say something!"

Duh. Open your eyes, people.

Your neighbor IS your business!

I sort of agree. In theory I do, but when you deal with reality, you deal with risk. This shooter, Ator, was a nut job. As a neighbor, I'd be concerned about his actions - especially if he's shooting at animals - but certainly he'd know if you were the one who turned him in. That's a scary thought.

It's not as though you ratted out some weird on the metro b/c you knew you'd never cross paths again. But this is your neighbor.

It's tricky.

Yes. Very tricky but must be done. There are ways to make anonymous reports in most communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"See something - Say something!"

Duh. Open your eyes, people.

Your neighbor IS your business!

I sort of agree. In theory I do, but when you deal with reality, you deal with risk. This shooter, Ator, was a nut job. As a neighbor, I'd be concerned about his actions - especially if he's shooting at animals - but certainly he'd know if you were the one who turned him in. That's a scary thought.

It's not as though you ratted out some weird on the metro b/c you knew you'd never cross paths again. But this is your neighbor.

It's tricky.

Yes. Very tricky but must be done. There are ways to make anonymous reports in most communities.

Exactly. It must be guaranteed EVERYWHERE.
Here we have an actual solution. There are always red flags. Always.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously. When you have a few minutes, please look at and listen to the footage of this murderer firing the AR rifle during the massacre. It literally sounds like a war zone.

There is absolutely NO REASON[u] for any citizen to have a gun that can fire bullets so rapidly.

Regardless of where you stand on gun ownership, banning ARs is simply a make sense decision.

you do realize that rapid fire semi auto rifles have been around for 100 plus years right? They are not some new thing, so maybe they are not the cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously. When you have a few minutes, please look at and listen to the footage of this murderer firing the AR rifle during the massacre. It literally sounds like a war zone.

There is absolutely NO REASON[u] for any citizen to have a gun that can fire bullets so rapidly.

Regardless of where you stand on gun ownership, banning ARs is simply a make sense decision.

you do realize that rapid fire semi auto rifles have been around for 100 plus years right? They are not some new thing, so maybe they are not the cause.

We are past the point of whether they are cause. They are clearly the means and must be banned and confiscated.

The GOP and 2A supports don't really care about identifying, let alone addressing the cause, or they would let the CDC study gun violence and stop trying to gut Obamacare and our country's precarious social safety net.

It's an excuse they have trotted out over the years to appease the gun lobby and gun fetishists that is no longer working with mass shootings happening every few weeks.

[Anonymous]

Bombs and vehicles must be next....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bombs and vehicles must be next....

Vehicles are heavily regulated, as are drivers, and you have to successfully make a bomb. No comparison.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bombs and vehicles must be next....

Vehicles are heavily regulated, as are drivers, and you have to successfully make a bomb. No comparison.

Opioids are also "heavily regulated", aren't they?

Keep ignoring the actual cause of the violence and addictions.