Is the Chevy Chase Club Racist?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m AA and I’ve been there several times with a member. The staff was very nice and friendly (most were white). What I noticed were the white female members were nice but many of the white male members would stare in judgement. I was usually the only AA there. For a wedding it will be fine.

Have you eaten there? Most, if not all of the wait staff are black. Colonial vibe, and not in a good way.

They work there because they are well paid.

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Anonymous wrote:I would never join any club (archaic, and I don't play golf), but they are private clubs with a high entrance fee. Private. Don't like it, don't join. I'm sure there are many connections made there, like at any club.

But what's to stop people from creating their own club? Create your own private club based on your ideals. Make connections.

In fact, isn't that what Jewish people did? They created their own club -- Woodmont, and even talked about not allowing Obama to join due to his stance on Israeli settlements:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/could-obamas-golfing-options-depend-on-his-middle-east-policy/2017/01/13/3e7f2bc6-d8e9-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.fae8c4590e38&tid=a_inl_manual

REALLY??? Talk about segregation. By the way Woodmont has plenty of non Jewish members. Both my next door neighbors, and about 5 families from around the block. And many many many more!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This would be a great human interest story for WaPo. Clubs like this are reliable reinforcements for systemic racism. Things like warm intros, unpaid internships, monetary gifts and no-interest loans are born in environments like this. The relationships and carefully nurtured and cultivated, so much so that you don’t even realize it. Black people have historically been excluded and actively discouraged from joining groups like this for decades, likely via violent means in years past. If you think your parents and forefathers didn’t know what they were doing and how to best enforce their intimidation I have a bridge to sell you.

Yet people In this thread are wondering why black people are still unwilling to join though the current members come from the same families, the same neighborhoods, go to the same schools and work in the same companies as their forefathers who birthed and nourished the culture and intimidated our parents.

When you guys (meaning you privileged whites) are serious about tackling systemic racism, you will talk about your affirmative action. Meaning birthrights to clubs like these, down payments for homes as wedding gifts, let alone inheritances that the rest of us could only dream of, coming from African countries that were exploited Europe and the US and from American families that were only granted the opportunity to pursue a free education in the US without risk of life or limb within the last generation.

WaPo... this is a story. If you’re listening.

This is interesting. Ben Stein wrote an article about this two years ago about growing up Jewish in DC and the racism that existed and the doors that were shut to him and his family. I assume even more so for African Americans.

[Anonymous]

Who cares. You won't be invited either way so dont worry about it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only two couples I know that are members are biracial. Both are white/Asian couples. So no, I don't think they're racist.

oh girl that's not it

+1

"I'm not racist. I married an Asian lady" is not a real thing.

Um... why is it not? Asian people are POC too, are they not? Or are we doing Asian erasure now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m AA and I’ve been there several times with a member. The staff was very nice and friendly (most were white). What I noticed were the white female members were nice but many of the white male members would stare in judgement. I was usually the only AA there. For a wedding it will be fine.

Have you eaten there? Most, if not all of the wait staff are black. Colonial vibe, and not in a good way.

I don’t get this argument. These are well paying jobs with the potential for tips and promotion. Would you prefer these folks to stay at home and receive government assistance? Are you ensuing that this club has a “hire only minorities” protocol? It’s bizarre to think about the fact that all of these Fortune 500 companies are looking to up their minority hires and that’s applauded but I guess that’s only businesses of a certain kind?

As for the general vibe of CC, if membership itself is racist and anti-Semitic, that is unacceptable. I am Jewish and I definitely feel uncomfortable at certain clubs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would never join any club (archaic, and I don't play golf), but they are private clubs with a high entrance fee. Private. Don't like it, don't join. I'm sure there are many connections made there, like at any club.

But what's to stop people from creating their own club? Create your own private club based on your ideals. Make connections.

In fact, isn't that what Jewish people did? They created their own club -- Woodmont, and even talked about not allowing Obama to join due to his stance on Israeli settlements:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/could-obamas-golfing-options-depend-on-his-middle-east-policy/2017/01/13/3e7f2bc6-d8e9-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.fae8c4590e38&tid=a_inl_manual

REALLY??? Talk about segregation. By the way Woodmont has plenty of non Jewish members. Both my next door neighbors, and about 5 families from around the block. And many many many more!

Yes Woodmont has non Jewish members but the club was founded because Jews couldn’t join other clubs. GDS was founded by Jewish and AA parents who couldn’t get their kids into other DC privates.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure why DCUM is so obsessed with the Chevy Chase Club, other than that DCUMers tend to be extremely confident that they occupy a higher social/socioeconomic status and this club serves in stark contrast proving that they're not as powerful as they imagine themselves to be. But still, it's ridiculous to talk about a club that 99.5%+ of us will never enter or pass through the gates. Why the obsession?

[Anonymous]

Really! Some rich folks here complaining about discrimination because they do not have country club membership!
What next, let me guess, a kid from a private school claiming he has suffered discrimination in the job market and lack of opportunities

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Anonymous wrote:I belonged through my father beginning in 1953. I could not bring my best friend, whose father was Jewish, through 1971 when I went off to college.

501c 7 tax exempt status criteria forbids discrimination.

How often are they audited? Unless someone is messing with the paper trail that would show how many families have applied and whether they were blackballed and if there is a discrepancy in race or religion it would show.

Blackballing doesn’t happen without the board members approval. So depending on when one applied if they were blackballed they would be able to know who approved it by obtaining a list of board members and membership committee chair at the time.

Not how it works. I know of a few people who got blocked. One was a notorious neighborhood speeder. Hit 50 mph on local streets all the time and was repeatedly asked to cut it out around the kids. When he applied, one of the folks who had asked him to slow down many, many times simply wrote a note for his file that documented his activities. He was done. I know of another person who readily mocked members and the club in social gatherings. Oddly, he later applied. Many noted his disdain in his file. I know another who was nasty as can be to staff at another location. His treatment of such folks was documented in his file. The board sees this stuff but it’s really the other members who deliver the materials that leads to the denial.

NP. Interesting I was looking for another thread on racism and of course this one came up about Chevy. In regards to Chevy i have heard from many people in the know that they use creative ways to not admit Jewish or African American applicants and that they still blackball families. For instance 4 or 5 years ago they blackballed a half Jewish family by asking the applicant to withdraw because they didn’t want it to be made public that they were blackballing them. That is a true story and is being looked into. It was known one of them was Jewish because a Chevy board member’s spouse had made jokes in public about the Jewish applicant to the point that they had to apologize. As a 501c 7 tax exempt club you are not allowed to discriminate based on race or religion.

I also heard about this. It would be easy to ask the Chevy board members at the time about it. They are listed in the membership directory. It was recent enough someone would have a copy. Also GM Luke O’Boyle was the manager at that time as well. He may be able to answer questions.

Any word on the person found dead near this club last night?

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Anonymous wrote:I belonged through my father beginning in 1953. I could not bring my best friend, whose father was Jewish, through 1971 when I went off to college.

501c 7 tax exempt status criteria forbids discrimination.

How often are they audited? Unless someone is messing with the paper trail that would show how many families have applied and whether they were blackballed and if there is a discrepancy in race or religion it would show.

Blackballing doesn’t happen without the board members approval. So depending on when one applied if they were blackballed they would be able to know who approved it by obtaining a list of board members and membership committee chair at the time.

Not how it works. I know of a few people who got blocked. One was a notorious neighborhood speeder. Hit 50 mph on local streets all the time and was repeatedly asked to cut it out around the kids. When he applied, one of the folks who had asked him to slow down many, many times simply wrote a note for his file that documented his activities. He was done. I know of another person who readily mocked members and the club in social gatherings. Oddly, he later applied. Many noted his disdain in his file. I know another who was nasty as can be to staff at another location. His treatment of such folks was documented in his file. The board sees this stuff but it’s really the other members who deliver the materials that leads to the denial.

NP. Interesting I was looking for another thread on racism and of course this one came up about Chevy. In regards to Chevy i have heard from many people in the know that they use creative ways to not admit Jewish or African American applicants and that they still blackball families. For instance 4 or 5 years ago they blackballed a half Jewish family by asking the applicant to withdraw because they didn’t want it to be made public that they were blackballing them. That is a true story and is being looked into. It was known one of them was Jewish because a Chevy board member’s spouse had made jokes in public about the Jewish applicant to the point that they had to apologize. As a 501c 7 tax exempt club you are not allowed to discriminate based on race or religion.

I also heard about this. It would be easy to ask the Chevy board members at the time about it. They are listed in the membership directory. It was recent enough someone would have a copy. Also GM Luke O’Boyle was the manager at that time as well. He may be able to answer questions.

Any word on the person found dead near this club last night?

You are too much, PP. You come to the country club thread to ask about a death in Chevy Chase Circle? It’s nearer to Blessed Sacrament - why didn’t you post in the Private School forum? It’s nearer to the bus station. Why didn’t you post in the Transportation forum? You are ridiculous.

And there is already a thread in Off-topic.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/918093.page

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Anonymous wrote:I belonged through my father beginning in 1953. I could not bring my best friend, whose father was Jewish, through 1971 when I went off to college.

501c 7 tax exempt status criteria forbids discrimination.

How often are they audited? Unless someone is messing with the paper trail that would show how many families have applied and whether they were blackballed and if there is a discrepancy in race or religion it would show.

Blackballing doesn’t happen without the board members approval. So depending on when one applied if they were blackballed they would be able to know who approved it by obtaining a list of board members and membership committee chair at the time.

Not how it works. I know of a few people who got blocked. One was a notorious neighborhood speeder. Hit 50 mph on local streets all the time and was repeatedly asked to cut it out around the kids. When he applied, one of the folks who had asked him to slow down many, many times simply wrote a note for his file that documented his activities. He was done. I know of another person who readily mocked members and the club in social gatherings. Oddly, he later applied. Many noted his disdain in his file. I know another who was nasty as can be to staff at another location. His treatment of such folks was documented in his file. The board sees this stuff but it’s really the other members who deliver the materials that leads to the denial.

NP. Interesting I was looking for another thread on racism and of course this one came up about Chevy. In regards to Chevy i have heard from many people in the know that they use creative ways to not admit Jewish or African American applicants and that they still blackball families. For instance 4 or 5 years ago they blackballed a half Jewish family by asking the applicant to withdraw because they didn’t want it to be made public that they were blackballing them. That is a true story and is being looked into. It was known one of them was Jewish because a Chevy board member’s spouse had made jokes in public about the Jewish applicant to the point that they had to apologize. As a 501c 7 tax exempt club you are not allowed to discriminate based on race or religion.

I also heard about this. It would be easy to ask the Chevy board members at the time about it. They are listed in the membership directory. It was recent enough someone would have a copy. Also GM Luke O’Boyle was the manager at that time as well. He may be able to answer questions.

Any word on the person found dead near this club last night?

You are too much, PP. You come to the country club thread to ask about a death in Chevy Chase Circle? It’s nearer to Blessed Sacrament - why didn’t you post in the Private School forum? It’s nearer to the bus station. Why didn’t you post in the Transportation forum? You are ridiculous.

And there is already a thread in Off-topic.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/918093.page

How sad.

[Anonymous]

Why does no one want to sponsor or be the main sponsor for this club. Even close friends shy away