Racine files residency fraud lawsuits against 6 Maryland parents

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Those families are stealing spots from other families and defrauding the system. Period.

Spot on. I can’t believe there grown adults like the Tacoma Park poster who think this type of unethical behavior is ok and model it for their children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You and your apparently illiterate and empathy-free self should be ashamed of yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

I know that is common, for sure. However, I'm not sure that's what happened in the cases that Racine decided to procescute--it seems these 6 cases would be more clear-cut.

PP again. What I meant is not that mom is using grandma's address for sake of convenience, but that some children are actually in unstable/transient living environments, where they literally sometimes live with mom, or with grandma when mom is not doing well, then back to mom or dad, etc.

That is exactly how I grew up thirty-five years ago, except the school districts were reversed. The only consistency I had was the school and school friends. There was no such thing as grandparent legal guardianship, with paperwork. Honestly, the principals and counsellors back then didn't care about the legality of crossing school jurisdictions, they only cared about me and other children in similar situations. I imagine that is the only thing that has remained the same in regards to residency, the school counsellors caring. My heart goes out to the children.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic “let’s make an example out of scheming poor people” case. Sad we care so much.

Kick all the kids out, stealing education. The horror...

Most of these people are NOT poor.

Yep. Not wealthy but half were city employees or federal contractors.

How do you know that

you read the complaints or Racine's press releases, which talk about the USDA contractor and the DC Department of Corrections workers. They are not prosecuting people who were homeless and living back and forth across two jurisdictions. They are prosecuting people who live in perfectly nice houses in Maryland and have for many years, but kept stealing DC resources. I'd be fine with a family living in Takoma DC being prosecuted for sending their kid to MCPS schools fradulently. I'm glad Racine is safeguarding our resources. Every dollar we save from not educating a MD kid (and it's more like $14,000 each year) can go to actually helping needy DC kids.

So ignorant on many levels. You’re not saving any money - per Racine- they lose money when they prosecute these cases - so it’s actually costing you MORE money. Also there is such anything as working poor. We don’t know how much these people make -working at DC jail can pay peanuts. They might not own their homes in MD, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

I know that is common, for sure. However, I'm not sure that's what happened in the cases that Racine decided to procescute--it seems these 6 cases would be more clear-cut.

PP again. What I meant is not that mom is using grandma's address for sake of convenience, but that some children are actually in unstable/transient living environments, where they literally sometimes live with mom, or with grandma when mom is not doing well, then back to mom or dad, etc.

In those cases, there is usually no reason why the kids can't still go to their home school in MD.

With this argument, would not their real home school be in Honduras, El Salvador, etc?

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Anonymous wrote:Ironic that he is pro illegals using services but against Marylanders lol hypocrisy

Last night I filed several comments opposing the Trump admin’s #publiccharge rule proposal that would throw up arbitrary roadblocks to lawful #immigration and punishes legal immigrants who use nutrition, housing, and medical assistance programs.

People aren’t illegal. That’s a racial slur.

Don’t be disgusting. These are revolting freeloaders who are taking spots from DC residents so they can steal free or reduced aftercare.

Pp you make me sick.

DP. Everything in which you have a differing opinion is not a racial slur. When did the word illegal become racial? SMH. If you are not in the country legally what are you. Hint, the opposite word of legal is illegal.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

Go to court and sign child over to grandma as guardian, amend taxes!

Spoken like someone with financial privilege. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s just amusing that of the hundreds (thousands) of residency cheaters, some poor hump gets busted twice.

He must have p***ed someone off - tipsters!

Typically it's the mothers who register their children for school. If he did not sign any paperwork (don't know if he did), I don't see how he can be held liable.

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

First off, these parents aren't being criminally prosecuted - I believe there are just DC False Claims Act claims against them. That's a civil claim. Moreover, I'm curious, what do you consider to be a real criminal? Theft of services equaling tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars does not make one a real criminal?

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

Go to court and sign child over to grandma as guardian, amend taxes!

Spoken like someone with financial privilege. Sheesh.

Spoken like someone with a criminal background. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:Schools involved:

CHML
Hyde
McKinley Tech
Ellington
Ballou
Richard Wright PCS
Hardy
Wheatley

All else aside, I cannot imagine cheating to get my kid into Ballou.

Shows how difficult to prosecute as also filed false Food Stamp docs, that's why shouldn't be up to the schools. Re. Ballou didn't the teacher of the year who also committed residency fraud have some of her kids at Ballou? Think husband worked there as a coach or something.

If any of the cheaters works for the DC government in any capacity, why aren't such persons summarily fired? They've demonstrated through their fraud that they are unworthy of being placed in a position of public trust.

Innocent until proven guilty is a foreign concept to you?

It shouldn’t be here. For every case of residency fraud found, there are probably 100 that go undetected.

Lock them up!

The last person who started this chant found himself facing bars and an orange jumpsuit. Be careful what you wish on others. Karma bites and no one can predict their own future.

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

First off, these parents aren't being criminally prosecuted - I believe there are just DC False Claims Act claims against them. That's a civil claim. Moreover, I'm curious, what do you consider to be a real criminal? Theft of services equaling tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars does not make one a real criminal?

Good point.

We should revisit all statutes to decriminalize theft under ten thousand dollars.

That's just a little kindergarten fight, let neighbors address the matter on their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Also don’t forget that some EOTR schools are under enrolled. So another reason why admin turns the other way.

THIS
A coworker/friend is committing residency fraud in a school that had no waitlist. She claims the school even assisted her in telling her what to do to get the proper paperwork. So she used a relative’s address and registered her car/changed her license to DC. She even changed her withholding to DC. She and her husband (who own a home and sleep in it every single night in PG County) will file their taxes separately from now on. I think she’s untouchable under these circumstances.

Hm, she is paying DC income taxes and car taxes. What's the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Also don’t forget that some EOTR schools are under enrolled. So another reason why admin turns the other way.

THIS
A coworker/friend is committing residency fraud in a school that had no waitlist. She claims the school even assisted her in telling her what to do to get the proper paperwork. So she used a relative’s address and registered her car/changed her license to DC. She even changed her withholding to DC. She and her husband (who own a home and sleep in it every single night in PG County) will file their taxes separately from now on. I think she’s untouchable under these circumstances.

Hm, she is paying DC income taxes and car taxes. What's the problem?

She is not PAYING DC Taxes. She is having DC taxes withheld. When she files her taxes, she will get a refund of all her DC taxes withheld and PAY MD taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

Go to court and sign child over to grandma as guardian, amend taxes!

Spoken like someone with financial privilege. Sheesh.

Spoken like someone with a criminal background. Sheesh.

How ignorant are you PP? No, I don't have a criminal background. Are you implying that only criminals have the emotional and mental bandwidth to understand that poor people or moderately incomes people don't go to court for a piece of paper in regards to guardianship. If families are living in unstable homes wherein they have to temporarily live with relatives they just do it. Heck, even middle and Upper middle income people just pack their bags and move into another family members home without filing guardianship papers. But I understand that you lack the emotional and intellectual capacity to think outside the box or empathize with others.

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Anonymous wrote:Also don’t forget that some EOTR schools are under enrolled. So another reason why admin turns the other way.

THIS
A coworker/friend is committing residency fraud in a school that had no waitlist. She claims the school even assisted her in telling her what to do to get the proper paperwork. So she used a relative’s address and registered her car/changed her license to DC. She even changed her withholding to DC. She and her husband (who own a home and sleep in it every single night in PG County) will file their taxes separately from now on. I think she’s untouchable under these circumstances.

Hm, she is paying DC income taxes and car taxes. What's the problem?

She is not PAYING DC Taxes. She is having DC taxes withheld. When she files her taxes, she will get a refund of all her DC taxes withheld and PAY MD taxes.

+1.

It's pure fraud.