Racine files residency fraud lawsuits against 6 Maryland parents

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

I know that is common, for sure. However, I'm not sure that's what happened in the cases that Racine decided to procescute--it seems these 6 cases would be more clear-cut.

PP again. What I meant is not that mom is using grandma's address for sake of convenience, but that some children are actually in unstable/transient living environments, where they literally sometimes live with mom, or with grandma when mom is not doing well, then back to mom or dad, etc.

That is exactly how I grew up thirty-five years ago, except the school districts were reversed. The only consistency I had was the school and school friends. There was no such thing as grandparent legal guardianship, with paperwork. Honestly, the principals and counsellors back then didn't care about the legality of crossing school jurisdictions, they only cared about me and other children in similar situations. I imagine that is the only thing that has remained the same in regards to residency, the school counsellors caring. My heart goes out to the children.

My fraudster friend thanks you. She and her husband and her poor, poor child will be having a very nice Christmas in their big house in PG. Then the poor dears will be going on a Disney cruise. Just a heartbreaking family situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

I know that is common, for sure. However, I'm not sure that's what happened in the cases that Racine decided to procescute--it seems these 6 cases would be more clear-cut.

PP again. What I meant is not that mom is using grandma's address for sake of convenience, but that some children are actually in unstable/transient living environments, where they literally sometimes live with mom, or with grandma when mom is not doing well, then back to mom or dad, etc.

That is exactly how I grew up thirty-five years ago, except the school districts were reversed. The only consistency I had was the school and school friends. There was no such thing as grandparent legal guardianship, with paperwork. Honestly, the principals and counsellors back then didn't care about the legality of crossing school jurisdictions, they only cared about me and other children in similar situations. I imagine that is the only thing that has remained the same in regards to residency, the school counsellors caring. My heart goes out to the children.

My fraudster friend thanks you. She and her husband and her poor, poor child will be having a very nice Christmas in their big house in PG. Then the poor dears will be going on a Disney cruise. Just a heartbreaking family situation.

Grandma oh grandma but oh poor grandma...

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

First off, these parents aren't being criminally prosecuted - I believe there are just DC False Claims Act claims against them. That's a civil claim. Moreover, I'm curious, what do you consider to be a real criminal? Theft of services equaling tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars does not make one a real criminal?

Apparently not. It's just the chiseling, grifting DC Way!

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

First off, these parents aren't being criminally prosecuted - I believe there are just DC False Claims Act claims against them. That's a civil claim. Moreover, I'm curious, what do you consider to be a real criminal? Theft of services equaling tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars does not make one a real criminal?

Whether DC decides to prosecute criminally or civilly (and Racine may just have civil authority), if any of the fraudster parents is a DC government employee, then he or she needs to be promptly frog-marched out of their DC government workplace, cardboard box in tow! If someone commits fraud, then they are no longer worthy of the public trust, and cannot be working in a school, MPD, the Motor Vehicles Dept or wherever. Out!

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic “let’s make an example out of scheming poor people” case. Sad we care so much.

Kick all the kids out, stealing education. The horror...

Most of these people are NOT poor.

Yep. Not wealthy but half were city employees or federal contractors.

How do you know that

you read the complaints or Racine's press releases, which talk about the USDA contractor and the DC Department of Corrections workers. They are not prosecuting people who were homeless and living back and forth across two jurisdictions. They are prosecuting people who live in perfectly nice houses in Maryland and have for many years, but kept stealing DC resources. I'd be fine with a family living in Takoma DC being prosecuted for sending their kid to MCPS schools fradulently. I'm glad Racine is safeguarding our resources. Every dollar we save from not educating a MD kid (and it's more like $14,000 each year) can go to actually helping needy DC kids.

So ignorant on many levels. You’re not saving any money - per Racine- they lose money when they prosecute these cases - so it’s actually costing you MORE money. Also there is such anything as working poor. We don’t know how much these people make -working at DC jail can pay peanuts. They might not own their homes in MD, etc.

The salaries of DC employees are public record. Shawn Clark's salary was $64,096 this year and Donnise Wortham's is $67,158. Their combined income was above the DC area's median household income. And their kids had in-bounds schools in Maryland they could have attended for free. If they--or even one of them--wanted to move to DC, I would be happy to pay for educating their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:In the JKLM area it may be people with nice HHI but that's not the case east of the river.

In my ward 8 school, it is definitely people below the poverty line. They use the 3 year old class as their free day care (free after care too) and send the older ones to the school too.

The 630,000 people of DC cannot be held responsible for fixing the problems of the state of Maryland, which has millions of people. Poverty in Maryland is the responsibility of people in Potomac, Bethesda, the Eastern Shore.

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Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

First off, these parents aren't being criminally prosecuted - I believe there are just DC False Claims Act claims against them. That's a civil claim. Moreover, I'm curious, what do you consider to be a real criminal? Theft of services equaling tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars does not make one a real criminal?

Whether DC decides to prosecute criminally or civilly (and Racine may just have civil authority), if any of the fraudster parents is a DC government employee, then he or she needs to be promptly frog-marched out of their DC government workplace, cardboard box in tow! If someone commits fraud, then they are no longer worthy of the public trust, and cannot be working in a school, MPD, the Motor Vehicles Dept or wherever. Out!

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Anonymous wrote:Whatt if the child stays with grandma sometimes in DC, but mom lives in MD? Is that allowed? Like, legally speaking, what is the requirement because like some have said, people tend to go back and forth a lot and have family all over the area Easy enough to put your mom's gas bill in your name. I have neighbors like this is why I ask; kid is at an HRCS.

I know that is common, for sure. However, I'm not sure that's what happened in the cases that Racine decided to procescute--it seems these 6 cases would be more clear-cut.

PP again. What I meant is not that mom is using grandma's address for sake of convenience, but that some children are actually in unstable/transient living environments, where they literally sometimes live with mom, or with grandma when mom is not doing well, then back to mom or dad, etc.

That is exactly how I grew up thirty-five years ago, except the school districts were reversed. The only consistency I had was the school and school friends. There was no such thing as grandparent legal guardianship, with paperwork. Honestly, the principals and counsellors back then didn't care about the legality of crossing school jurisdictions, they only cared about me and other children in similar situations. I imagine that is the only thing that has remained the same in regards to residency, the school counsellors caring. My heart goes out to the children.

My fraudster friend thanks you. She and her husband and her poor, poor child will be having a very nice Christmas in their big house in PG. Then the poor dears will be going on a Disney cruise. Just a heartbreaking family situation.

Nice that the parents have enough accrued vacation from their ‘work’ at the DC government !

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the JKLM area it may be people with nice HHI but that's not the case east of the river.

In my ward 8 school, it is definitely people below the poverty line. They use the 3 year old class as their free day care (free after care too) and send the older ones to the school too.

The 630,000 people of DC cannot be held responsible for fixing the problems of the state of Maryland, which has millions of people. Poverty in Maryland is the responsibility of people in Potomac, Bethesda, the Eastern Shore.

Isn’t the blingy casino at National Harbor supposed to be spinning off many millions of $ for the PG schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Several neighbors in Takoma, DC are sending their kids down the street to school in Takoma Park. Their IB school would be Coolidge. Instead they're in a top middle school. Parents do what they need to do for the welfare of their kids. It's not our place to judge. Trust that there are many DC kids in school in MC and PG. We are inter-related communities. The money spent going after these people could be used to go after real criminals.

No judgement just face the consequences if get caught. The implications are many re. planning, staffing, resources, etc. Think big picture not small...

Right, but the cost/benefit of these cases doesn't seem worth it. Fire DC workers for fraud, fine. Prosecute SNAP abuse, fine. But these parents are not going to be able to afford treble damages. And there are many parents shuffling kids back and forth across DC/MC/PG border. So spend all of the money investigating and then charging and then having a trial and....no recovery. When there are many parents in each jurisdiction doing this, and having done this for decades particularly in the border wards (4, 8, etc.). I asked several coworkers who grew up in Maryland but went to school in DC on their grandparents' address. Their response was that everybody did when they were growing up. Sure, our tax dollars are supporting them - but PG/MC taxpayers are supporting DC kids, too. Parents are going to do what they think works best for their kids. period.

Disagree 100 percent. Investigate them all. You don't have to prosecute them all, but kick out all the kids and prosecute some parents.

Why prosecute parents? To criminalize poverty? To waste hours and hours of expensive attorney time that could be spent going after real criminals? What is the point? We get that you given absolutely zero effs about children who are not your own, what good is served by bankrupting the parents, and having them thrown in prison for contempt in not paying these huge treble damages?

So why even have residency rules then?

[Anonymous]

The guy with the ex and 3 kids and the new wife and 1 kid is interesting. Both he and current wife and his ex wife live in Maryland. You would think it would be easier to coordinate custody and schedules if they went to school near where both families lived.

I wonder who lives at the address he gave when registering kids from both families.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy with the ex and 3 kids and the new wife and 1 kid is interesting. Both he and current wife and his ex wife live in Maryland. You would think it would be easier to coordinate custody and schedules if they went to school near where both families lived.

I wonder who lives at the address he gave when registering kids from both families.

Good question.

If the people living there were complicit in the fraud, they should be charged and fined too.

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So let's pretend that google provides accurate search data.

and if you do a search for the individuals that you come up with accurate addresses.

Let's pretend that city-data.com is accurate

8401 Owens Way Brandywine, MD 20613
Owner: WILLIAM H HARRISON & CASSANDRA V HARRISON
Total land value: $101,400 (it was $101,460 in 2010)
Total building value: $215,300 (it was $441,380 in 2010)
Total assessed value for property: $316,700 (it was $542,840 in 2010)

These are not people living in poverty - they purchased the home in 2002.

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That’s super far. At least an hour each way with traffic.

[Anonymous]

Are we certain that these are the same people ... that was 16 years ago if they purchased in 2002...