How common is redshirting in APS and FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new, but the term is. It used to be called "being held back." People don't like what that implies, so it's now the "gift of time."

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SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.

It's the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new, but the term is. It used to be called "being held back." People don't like what that implies, so it's now the "gift of time."

+1,

SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.

It's the same thing.

How so?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new, but the term is. It used to be called "being held back." People don't like what that implies, so it's now the "gift of time."

+1,

SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.

It's the same thing.

How so?

Held back from starting on time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Red shirting is not a new phenomenon. People have been doing this for 30-40 years (that I'm aware of - I have teachers in my family and kids that "started K late"). Relatively middle-middle class family. We also did this with two DS.

Most teachers will say it can't hurt, and if you're unsure, to do it.

I'm 40 and the only kids who were held back were the ones who failed the grade. We have a fall kid and we sent him early. He also does sports. Sports go by age, not grade so being younger has its advantages. Kids who start the sport younger clearly have an advantage. Mine started it about 2 years later and is much slower but catching up. Most of the really good kids have private coaches as well, which we started to do. There is usually more to it all once you actually look into it. It makes no sense to hold kids back.

Thanks for your completely uniformed opinion. Nobody cares that your fall kid was ready and did great. Those of us considering redshirting do it because there's a specific reason for concern. And personally I've never met anyone whose concern was limited to sports (either way). BTW part of the idea behind redshirting is to prevent kids from failing the grade later on. Doesn't necessarily always work out that way and the data may not support it, but the REASON some people redshirt is to give the child more time to be ready for kindergarten, which is universally understood to be more "rigorous" than 35 years ago when you were in K.

Again, this makes no sense. If you are concerned your child will fall behind you spend the money and get them tutoring (or work with them yourself) and therapies to address the issues to make sure they are more successful. K. is not rigorous. Its parents who don't prepare their kids and whine about how rigorous it is. And, yes, I have a SN kid and yes, we spent a huge sum of money on therapies to get our child to the point they are at to make sure they are successful. If your non-special needs kid cannot cut it in K. at age 5, you need to get them fully evaluated and into therapies to support them as you lose the gift of time as the longer you wait to get your kid the help they need, the harder it is for those therapist to work.

You can do therapies AND give an extra year in preschool. it's not an either/or situation. and for social skills, there's really no substitute for extra time for some kids.

Most kids who are redshirted/held back aren't do therapies or social skill classes. They are being held back to get better test scores to get into the gifted programs or for sports. If we held my kid back, he easily would have made gifted since we work at home but he's borderline. I'd rather him be in regular where he fits better than hold him back with kids over a year younger and slower academics. Even now, elementary school is slow. I could not imagine holding him back.

No, that's not true. Kids who are redshirted (or repeat K) likely have specific concerns about maturity and ability. not to "get better test scores" (b/c wtf, even in our hard-core K, there aren't test scores that determine anything yet).

Ummm... how do you explain people (teachers, administrators, etc) who have NEVER met your kid or asked any questions about your kid other than if their birthday is close to the age cut off who say to hold them back? It is FALSE that most people are holding their kid back due to special needs or concerns about their abilities.
Kids are being held back because they are not going on time

[Anonymous]

SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.


It's the same thing.

No. Before redshirting, we may have said "waited a year to start school" or "kept home" another year.

"Held back" means repeating a grade. This is a "do over" or "do again". There is a difference.

[Anonymous]

We have an end of September boy, who wont be starting formal K until this fall. He will be starting at age 5 and turning 6. I am an educator and we did did not make this decision lightly. However, we felt our son needed more time to mature AND did not want to start him at age 4. Also, if we decide to move in the next 12 years, he will be with his same age peers more than likely...

Kindergarten Entrance Age: The date by which a student must be five years old in order to attend kindergarten.

Jul. 31 – Hawaii (effective 2014-15), Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota
Aug. 1 – Arkansas, Indiana
Aug. 15 – Tennessee (effective 2014-15)
Aug. 31 – Arizona, Delaware, Kansas, New Mexico, North Carolina, Washington
Sept. 1 – Alabama, Alaska, California (effective 2014-15), Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin (19 states)
Sept. 10 – Montana
Sept. 15 – Iowa, Wyoming
Sept. 30 – District of Columbia, Louisiana, Nevada, Virginia
Oct. 1 – Colorado, Kentucky (Aug. 1 in 2017-18), Michigan (effective 2014-2015)
Oct. 15 – Maine
Jan. 1 (of the school year) – Connecticut
Local education agencies decide (the state may set a date range) – Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Vermont

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I only have a preschooler but I was very surprised to be reading class descriptions earlier today in which there appeared to be an entire class of prek devoted to redshirters. It said it was perfect for those who need more time as well as those with late birthdays such as March and April. I would not consider March or April to be "late" by any means!

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We are zoned for FCPS and 8/20 children in my child's preschool class are PK-4 repeats (all boys). One of them is already 6!

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Anonymous wrote:In my daughter's Kindergarten class, I know of one boy who was redshirted. He's much bigger than all the other kids but I have no way of knowing the parents' reason for red-shirting. Maybe he wasn't behaviorally ready for Kindergarten initially.

I also know of someone in my daughter's class when she was in pre-K who was red-shirted. She has a December birthday so turned 5 during her pre-k year. He turned 6 at the beginning of the pre-K year and was already reading/writing very well. I am completely baffled as to why his parents chose to hold him back instead of sending him to Kindergarten since his behavior was fine and he was academically very successful at a young age.

Trying to game the system and give the kid an advantage. It very well may backfire with bored, disruptive behavior. I'm trying to figure out if he really turned 6 at the beginning of the pre-k year. Do you mean he turned 5 in August of pre-K, 6 at the beginning of K?

NP but my child's preK4 (they go in at 4, turn 5 during the year, and are supposed to start Kindergarten the following year) had a boy who was in his 2nd year of preK4 and turned 6 at the very beginning of the school year. He'll turn 19 in the fall of his senior year of high school and will be closer to 20 than 19 when he graduates. Mine will be 17 right up until graduation. That's almost a 2 year age difference. This is nuts. I was 7 in 2nd grade, this kid was 7 in Kindergarten!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In my daughter's Kindergarten class, I know of one boy who was redshirted. He's much bigger than all the other kids but I have no way of knowing the parents' reason for red-shirting. Maybe he wasn't behaviorally ready for Kindergarten initially.

I also know of someone in my daughter's class when she was in pre-K who was red-shirted. She has a December birthday so turned 5 during her pre-k year. He turned 6 at the beginning of the pre-K year and was already reading/writing very well. I am completely baffled as to why his parents chose to hold him back instead of sending him to Kindergarten since his behavior was fine and he was academically very successful at a young age.

Trying to game the system and give the kid an advantage. It very well may backfire with bored, disruptive behavior. I'm trying to figure out if he really turned 6 at the beginning of the pre-k year. Do you mean he turned 5 in August of pre-K, 6 at the beginning of K?

NP but my child's preK4 (they go in at 4, turn 5 during the year, and are supposed to start Kindergarten the following year) had a boy who was in his 2nd year of preK4 and turned 6 at the very beginning of the school year. He'll turn 19 in the fall of his senior year of high school and will be closer to 20 than 19 when he graduates. Mine will be 17 right up until graduation. That's almost a 2 year age difference. This is nuts. I was 7 in 2nd grade, this kid was 7 in Kindergarten!!!

I would suspect an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new, but the term is. It used to be called "being held back." People don't like what that implies, so it's now the "gift of time."

+1,

SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.

It's the same thing.

How so?

Held back from starting on time.

But in many states, kids are not required to start school until 6 or 7. Virginia is 6.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Redshirting is not new, but the term is. It used to be called "being held back." People don't like what that implies, so it's now the "gift of time."

+1,

SMH, held back is when you fail to progress to the next grade, not when you get a later start.

It's the same thing.

How so?

Held back from starting on time.

But in many states, kids are not required to start school until 6 or 7. Virginia is 6.

I believe these start date rules originally came about with the inception of public Kindergarten under the idea that we weren't mandating kids to attend K and that they could start in 1st the following year.

[Anonymous]

Ya, my husband was "redshirted" by my MIL back in the day. She (and everyone else in the family) says that he was "held back."

Similarly, my grandma was "held back" so that she could start school the same year as her younger sister (Irish twins) with the thought that it would be easier to have them in the same grade (1920s parenting, yay!).

"Held back" = old school lingo for "redshirting"

Personally, I would never hold a kid back, even a boy. I was always the youngest in my class (skipped a grade) and there is a lot to be gained by having appropriate challenges. I don't see how a regular Kindergarten curriculum could be at all challenging or engaging for a 6-7 year old. Kids rise to your expectations. Lift them up, rather than expecting so little of them. You will be amazed at what your kids are capable of.

They need a year to mature? So why stick them with a bunch of younger kids? Isn't it better for them to have more mature role models they can learn from? I really don't get it.

[Anonymous]

I’m honestly a little confused and my baby is nowhere near school yet, and I don’t completely understand the guidelines and what constitutes redshirting.

The FCPS website says “A child may enter kindergarten if he or she turns five on or before September 30 of the year he or she enters school.“ If that was the only rule, a kid who turns 5 on October 1 will be the oldest and a kid who turns 5 on September 30 will be the youngest.

However, it also says “A child who will be six years old on or before September 30 must attend school.“ So that means actually that everyone has a choice, right? Even October 1 kid? Doesn’t this naturally mean there’s a two year range?

I’m new to this, can you tell?

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Anonymous wrote:Ya, my husband was "redshirted" by my MIL back in the day. She (and everyone else in the family) says that he was "held back."

Similarly, my grandma was "held back" so that she could start school the same year as her younger sister (Irish twins) with the thought that it would be easier to have them in the same grade (1920s parenting, yay!).

"Held back" = old school lingo for "redshirting"

Personally, I would never hold a kid back, even a boy. I was always the youngest in my class (skipped a grade) and there is a lot to be gained by having appropriate challenges. I don't see how a regular Kindergarten curriculum could be at all challenging or engaging for a 6-7 year old. Kids rise to your expectations. Lift them up, rather than expecting so little of them. You will be amazed at what your kids are capable of.

They need a year to mature? So why stick them with a bunch of younger kids? Isn't it better for them to have more mature role models they can learn from? I really don't get it.

Ok. You do you.