How common is redshirting in APS and FCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

Umm, no one is advocating sending 4 year olds to kindergarten. Theyre condemning the people that think their 6th grader should be able to drive himself to school.

Funny to see some many nerves struck. I always assumed redshirted kids were just dumb. It never occurred to me that it was a status symbol for white, SAHMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

Umm, no one is advocating sending 4 year olds to kindergarten. Theyre condemning the people that think their 6th grader should be able to drive himself to school.

Funny to see some many nerves struck. I always assumed redshirted kids were just dumb. It never occurred to me that it was a status symbol for white, SAHMs.

Ummmmmm yes, most of us who are redshirting would absolutely have a 4 year old in K. School starts in August or September and those kids would be 4, turning 5 right after school starts. Also, the whole “6th grader driving himself to school” trope is a huge reductio ad absurdum fallacy. Kids are 11/12 in 6th grade. MAYBE the oldest kids turn 13 right at the end of the school year. Darn those pesky facts!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

Umm, no one is advocating sending 4 year olds to kindergarten. Theyre condemning the people that think their 6th grader should be able to drive himself to school.

Funny to see some many nerves struck. I always assumed redshirted kids were just dumb. It never occurred to me that it was a status symbol for white, SAHMs.

Sorry you can't do simple addition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

Umm, no one is advocating sending 4 year olds to kindergarten. Theyre condemning the people that think their 6th grader should be able to drive himself to school.

Funny to see some many nerves struck. I always assumed redshirted kids were just dumb. It never occurred to me that it was a status symbol for white, SAHMs.

Ummmmmm yes, most of us who are redshirting would absolutely have a 4 year old in K. School starts in August or September and those kids would be 4, turning 5 right after school starts. Also, the whole “6th grader driving himself to school” trope is a huge reductio ad absurdum fallacy. Kids are 11/12 in 6th grade. MAYBE the oldest kids turn 13 right at the end of the school year. Darn those pesky facts!

If your'e going to quote someone, stick to their point and avoid strawman hyperbole. It makes you look foolish.

PP said "advocating". He didn't say some weren't sending 4.85 year olds.

Also, if you'd read the thread, OP clearly stated there was a 13 year old in his son's class now and will be turning 14 in March. Darn those pesky facts indeed!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The higher the average HHI, the larger % of red shirted students.

This! The more SAHMs there are the more kids are redshirted. All the kids I know with 2 working parents started on time regardless of how late their birthdays are.

I also wond if kids who have always been in daycare are more prepared to start and adjust to the full days.

um, not exactly true. I think with two working parents with HHI you will see this two. I have two July birthday boys and boy will start K when they are 6, more for emotional readiness than academics. It may not be necessary, but its unlikely to hurt, unlike the flipside of the situation. I would not start a child in K at age 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When will maturity level set? DS is right on cut off and I sent him on time 9/30. I couldn't justify holding him back because he was academically advanced. However, he's the smallest and less able to control his emotions and gets teased about it.

AND this is why people "red shirt". perfect reason to do it. emotional is just as important as academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

Shorter version: "Why yes, I am an enormous hypocrite."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

Go back to GBCN.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

Go back to GBCN.

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here, DH and I don't have children yet but fully intend to redshirt once we do. In some European countries school doesn't really start until 7. Privilege will always exist for someone, I'm not sure why people are getting so upset. Just like there will always be someone who can afford private tutoring, a nanny, private school, language classes, the best summer classes and or vacations. We can't afford all of those things but you can be sure we will provide our children with some advantages, as any loving parents would do the same.

+1 No way would I start a 4 year old in kindergarten. That's crazy. Not really sure why some are so displeased with others' redshirting decisions. Your snowflake can start her schooling at 4 and be the youngest in her medical school class... No skin off my nose.

Umm, no one is advocating sending 4 year olds to kindergarten. Theyre condemning the people that think their 6th grader should be able to drive himself to school.

Funny to see some many nerves struck. I always assumed redshirted kids were just dumb. It never occurred to me that it was a status symbol for white, SAHMs.

Ummmmmm yes, most of us who are redshirting would absolutely have a 4 year old in K. School starts in August or September and those kids would be 4, turning 5 right after school starts. Also, the whole “6th grader driving himself to school” trope is a huge reductio ad absurdum fallacy. Kids are 11/12 in 6th grade. MAYBE the oldest kids turn 13 right at the end of the school year. Darn those pesky facts!

If your'e going to quote someone, stick to their point and avoid strawman hyperbole. It makes you look foolish.

PP said "advocating". He didn't say some weren't sending 4.85 year olds.

Also, if you'd read the thread, OP clearly stated there was a 13 year old in his son's class now and will be turning 14 in March. Darn those pesky facts indeed!

Here is the OP of this thread:

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How common is redshirting in Arlington and Fairfax county public schools? My son turns 5 in mid-September and we plan to send him on time. He will be 4 when he starts school, and I'm wondering if he will really be 1-2 years younger than all of his classmates. We are debating between staying in S. Arlington vs moving to the Burke/West Springfield area, so I am interested in feedback about both school districts.”

NOTHING about 16 year old (the legal driving age) 6th graders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

Go back to GBCN.

DP. I didn't know there were GBCN people here, haha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

Sounds like you have trouble grasping the core of a whole spectrum of issues. I’m tired of hearing complaints from clueless, judgemental a-holes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reading comprehension skills appear to be in short supply in this thread.

Reread what the OP stated. The mom of the 13 year old 6th grader admitted it was for advantage. So, take all your 'you don't know what theyre going through' rationalizations and shove them someplace dark and stinky.

For the poster claiming it's not a competition, get back to me when your kids are applying to college. It is ABSOLUTELY a competition, by definition even. Christ, getting into TJ is cut throat and that's just a HS.

UVA doesn't take every senior from every HS. If you have kid A that's 19 and been competing against kid B who is 17 you can damn well be sure the 19 year old will have a better shot at admission.

Maybe this cuts too close for some of you. You don't like be called out for gaming the system.

No, I just find anti-redshirt posters on DCUM to be so free of critical thinking skills that it's entertaining to engage. Though it is rather like shooting fish in a barrel.

Funny, I find proponents of redshirting to be closet racists. Doesn't even take critical thinking skills to see it. We get it. You don't like your kids being around brown kids doing as well as yours so you hold them back so theyre a year older.

Exh. A for lack of critical thinking skills.

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