How common is redshirting in APS and FCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how redshirting can help soccer. Doesn’t the soccer league have a cut off date too? My son has a late aug birthday, we redshirted him. He is with his grade mates in soccer, since the cut off for soccer was early Aug.

Generally people who redshirt do not harbor regrets, but people who do not redshirt may later come to regret their decision.

My one regret about redshirting my athletic, intelligent, very small and behavioral / emotional issues son has to do with soccer. He is a travel player on a top NCSL team, but plays with the kids mostly in a grade above him. We'd love to have him play soccer with his classmates in Rec soccer, but that is not fun for anyone, since he was held back from scoring, or benched most of the time to avoid blow away scores. Luckily, he is only average in basketball, and can play with his friends, and there is no clear advantage.

Reshirting him gave him a lot of confidence and is popular in his class, we did not know at the time he would be academic. Overall, would do it again, but now I realize I didn't do for what I thought was best for him, I was doing it to exercise my white privilege.

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We considered redshirting our daughter (August bday) but ultimately she was very curious and bright, so in she went. Looking back now (currently in 4th) it was the right decision. She's also turned out to be thin and gorgeous. Had she been one of the heavy unattractive girls, redshirting probably would have given her an edge she'd need as the 'ugly' kid.

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I think September birthdays are tricky OP. My twins were born in Septemver and we live in a state with a 9/1 cutoff so they will be going to kindergarten when they are almost six years old. In your case I think it’s appropriate to either send him or keep him back just because of his birthdate.

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Anonymous wrote:We are in the "Alexandria" part of ffx county and plan to redshirt. Boys with mid Sept bdays and we're preemies on top of that. I do SAH and we have a high HHI so the earlier posters were spot on.

I have twins born in September who were also preemies. This is where redshirting is appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

You're totally absurd. People redshirt because they think it's best for their particular child and the particular school system they're in. And, in DCPS anyway, schools have no hesitation to keep kids back in Kindergarten -- and from what I've seen, it's mainly African American kids who repeat Kindergarten. What's your white privilege analysis of that?

As a relatively well-off white person, EVERYTHING you do is likely imbued with white privilege. I'm not sure why you have a bee in your bonnet about this one particular act, when it's clear that people do it to address actual issues they see with their actual child, not to hoard resources. If you're truly that committed to forgoing every privilege, you should be living in Anacostia, donating all you money above the poverty line to BLM, etc. Or better yet, pay for an extra year of preschool for a poor child whose parents want to redshirt him. It's weird that you have such a fixation on redshirting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know all these people out there fighting against Trump and shouting about Nazis and against white supremacy should take a long hard look at issues like red shirting.

The majority of folks who red shirt and going to be white upper class. You here excuses about kids not being mature enough, not wanting them to be behind, wanting to make sure they can compete, but what you really want is for your kid to maintain their supremacy. I am tired of hearing of what is best of "my kid" or "our family" maybe we should take a minute and ask ourselves what is best for society. What is best for all the kids and what can we can personally do to close the achievement gap.

- mom of a July boy going on time.

You are a complete hypocrite unless you've deliberately moved to a low-performing school district, do not supplement your child's education, and sent your child to the neighborhood public school.

There is literally no evidence that redshirting has any impact on the achievement gap. None whatsoever. What has a huge impact on the achievement gap, however, is what school you send your child to. So unless you've taken that step, you are just another hypocrite bleating on about how other people should fix the achievement gap but certainly not you.

Well, I live in S. Arlington and send my kid to a neighborhood school. I am not saying I am perfect. OF course I want to fight for my kids and get them the best of the best, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize that I am using my privilege to put my kid ahead and when I do that it impacts other kids.

If you want to be blind to the fact that white women through their school choices have helped to maintain white supremacy be my guest. But whether it is red shirting, fighting against rezoning, or busing these actions help maintain white supremacy. No one has to be overtly racist for their actions to impact that.

You're totally absurd. People redshirt because they think it's best for their particular child and the particular school system they're in. And, in DCPS anyway, schools have no hesitation to keep kids back in Kindergarten -- and from what I've seen, it's mainly African American kids who repeat Kindergarten. What's your white privilege analysis of that?

As a relatively well-off white person, EVERYTHING you do is likely imbued with white privilege. I'm not sure why you have a bee in your bonnet about this one particular act, when it's clear that people do it to address actual issues they see with their actual child, not to hoard resources. If you're truly that committed to forgoing every privilege, you should be living in Anacostia, donating all you money above the poverty line to BLM, etc. Or better yet, pay for an extra year of preschool for a poor child whose parents want to redshirt him. It's weird that you have such a fixation on redshirting.

Oh also, nice misogynistic dig at "white women." PS: Nikole Hannah Jones herself used her privilege to avoid the worse-off neighborhood school to pick one with a lower concentration of poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We considered redshirting our daughter (August bday) but ultimately she was very curious and bright, so in she went. Looking back now (currently in 4th) it was the right decision. She's also turned out to be thin and gorgeous. Had she been one of the heavy unattractive girls, redshirting probably would have given her an edge she'd need as the 'ugly' kid.

Omg.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how redshirting can help soccer. Doesn’t the soccer league have a cut off date too? My son has a late aug birthday, we redshirted him. He is with his grade mates in soccer, since the cut off for soccer was early Aug.

Yes. Most of the sports do. And, as for the "coach" who posted above, I'm pretty sure that waivers for age are very rare--if at all.
And, as for redshirting being "Trump's fault", I suggest said "coach" research DCUM threads!

That's me and I am a coach. Might even be your kid's coach, who knows?

Waivers are rare. Thank you for proving my point. That doesn't stop entitled, fat, middle aged white ladies from seeking them though, does it?

Good Lord you are unpleasant. You are also not coaching on a competitive team.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how redshirting can help soccer. Doesn’t the soccer league have a cut off date too? My son has a late aug birthday, we redshirted him. He is with his grade mates in soccer, since the cut off for soccer was early Aug.

Yes. Most of the sports do. And, as for the "coach" who posted above, I'm pretty sure that waivers for age are very rare--if at all.
And, as for redshirting being "Trump's fault", I suggest said "coach" research DCUM threads!

That's me and I am a coach. Might even be your kid's coach, who knows?

Waivers are rare. Thank you for proving my point. That doesn't stop entitled, fat, middle aged white ladies from seeking them though, does it?

Good Lord you are unpleasant. You are also not coaching on a competitive team.

Not PP, As the Registrar for my kids travel team (and not a coach), no kid is getting a waiver to play in a younger age group in travel soccer - there are fines & penalties for the league, etc... Redshirted kids can play with their birth year or class year in Rec (not travel) - depending on the parents / kids preference.

[Anonymous]

kmlm

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Anonymous wrote:The higher the average HHI, the larger % of red shirted students.

Correct. Parents with the funds for another year of preschool are more likely to hold their children back.

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Definitely this.

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We have a late-year birthday so my daughter is one of the oldest kids in her class. She dominates in Rec but had a really hard time in Travel because she was competing against kids who got started in rec a year earlier than she did, and are up to 9 months older. So if Travel sports are on your radar, red-shirting will screw things up if they go by birth year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how redshirting can help soccer. Doesn’t the soccer league have a cut off date too? My son has a late aug birthday, we redshirted him. He is with his grade mates in soccer, since the cut off for soccer was early Aug.

Yes. Most of the sports do. And, as for the "coach" who posted above, I'm pretty sure that waivers for age are very rare--if at all.
And, as for redshirting being "Trump's fault", I suggest said "coach" research DCUM threads!

That's me and I am a coach. Might even be your kid's coach, who knows?

Waivers are rare. Thank you for proving my point. That doesn't stop entitled, fat, middle aged white ladies from seeking them though, does it?

Sometimes I think that the anti-redshirt posters on DCUM are actually trolls planted by people who are actually pro-redshirting. Between this charming person and Arlington mom, I honestly wonder.

[Anonymous]

Red shirting is not a new phenomenon. People have been doing this for 30-40 years (that I'm aware of - I have teachers in my family and kids that "started K late"). Relatively middle-middle class family. We also did this with two DS.

Most teachers will say it can't hurt, and if you're unsure, to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Red shirting is not a new phenomenon. People have been doing this for 30-40 years (that I'm aware of - I have teachers in my family and kids that "started K late"). Relatively middle-middle class family. We also did this with two DS.

Most teachers will say it can't hurt, and if you're unsure, to do it.

I'm 40 and the only kids who were held back were the ones who failed the grade. We have a fall kid and we sent him early. He also does sports. Sports go by age, not grade so being younger has its advantages. Kids who start the sport younger clearly have an advantage. Mine started it about 2 years later and is much slower but catching up. Most of the really good kids have private coaches as well, which we started to do. There is usually more to it all once you actually look into it. It makes no sense to hold kids back.