What if Trump is right, and these countries really are shotholes

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

Most jobs really don't need a college degree (outside of STEM/professional jobs, and even then you can train quite a bit of that on the job). We just use a college degree as a proxy for IQ exams since Griggs v. Duke Power made them illegal to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

Vo-tech training is a decent start along with not making people think blue collar work is beneath them.

PP here - the blue collar issue is not because people think it is 'beneath' them. It is because the wage+lifestyle delta is too large forcing many kids to not want to pursue the blue collar path. In germany the wage+benefits (post government transfers along with safety net) differential between a plumber or mechanic and a doctor is not as large hence trades aren't as looked down upon.

People respond to incentives. Design a more equal economic structure that includes heavy redistribution to minimize lifestyle differentials between various occupations and people won't denigrate said occupations as much.

And before anyone says "my hvac guy makes more than many lawyers" - your hvac guy 'pays' with his body by the time he turns 50/55. I come from a family of blue collar workers and we were all told not to go into them because of the health issues and body pain issues that occured down the road.

In a country with universal health care, a stronger social safety net, and more redistribution, people will be happier to be blue collar workers instead of trying to shoot for other jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Other issue is that we need to stop focusing on the word “shithole” and focus on the principle he was espousing for immigration. He wants to allow immigration from countries with white Europeans. On one side he talks about merit visa on the other side he has decided that he doesn’t want people from these countries. So he wants immigration based on color of skin and not merit.”Merit” is a code word to justify his racist policies.

Immigration from the ''white'' countries is practically shot down for a long time now.

Although I disagree with the statement ''s@hole countries=s@ty people'' but what is wrong with bringing more white people into this country? From Eastern Europe for example.
There are a little over 2 m of E Europeans in the US vs approx 3.2 m from African and N African countries.

Should immigration to the US take turns - ''one decade, one continent''?
What is so wrong with white people that liberals try to fight them off so hard?

no way - i can understand a desire for opening up more doors for western europeans. wanting eastern europeans to come just means you are viewing immigration on racial terms (though some could argue slavs and other eastern europeans aren't really white in the sense of what whiteness meant here historically).

Poles are not welcome by many in the UK, where things aren't quite viewed through muddled race terms.

i'm a liberal that supports many of the merit based arguments. it's the right that poisons the merit based policies with injecting racial points of view.

Dude, Slavs are typically whiter than most white Americans of Germanic descent

Slavs historically were not considered white (look at 1920's immigration policy).

If you are going by 'paleness' then i guess some japanese are white?

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

I answered it - i would like to deport them but we can't. So in order to help their economic prospects (read up harvard borjas), we shouldn't really be letting in ttt level people from other countries to come here when we already have an over supply of this type.

The country isn't facing a labor shortage - if it was, the phillips curve would be showing skyrocketing wage inflation.

Achieving US citizenship is up to what society says (through its representative democracy) it means. You might not think it should be an achievement but in the modern world, it should be. One that is granted for those who will add a net positive economic value to the country (within their generation - not over the course of multiple generations).

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

I answered it - i would like to deport them but we can't. So in order to help their economic prospects (read up harvard borjas), we shouldn't really be letting in ttt level people from other countries to come here when we already have an over supply of this type.

The country isn't facing a labor shortage - if it was, the phillips curve would be showing skyrocketing wage inflation.

Achieving US citizenship is up to what society says (through its representative democracy) it means. You might not think it should be an achievement but in the modern world, it should be. One that is granted for those who will add a net positive economic value to the country (within their generation - not over the course of multiple generations).

Again you keep going on and on about what immigrants should achieve its quite comical since you're not even habilitated to do that ( but that's another topic), my initial statement stands . It's obvious you lack the intellectual depth and coefficient to discuss this issue . Part of Public policy is to enact policies for upcoming challenges as opposed to waiting to be hit with crisis like a deer in headlights .

10,000 Americans are turning 65 everyday just as America is dealing with the lowest birth rate on record, as if that wasn't enough labor participation rate stands at about 63% the lowest it's been since the 70s . Long story short more people are leaving the work force than entering it and that spells trouble because entitlements have to be paid for and remaining economically competitive requires having a healthy supply of young , able bodied and relatively work force . You'll need a pool of young workers that is higher than those exiting to pay the taxes that will finance those programs . There are only two ways to go about it ; 1) have Americans must start having more kids ( highly unlikely given the quasi absence of a strong social safety net and universal healthcare systems in the US) 2) import labor ( this is by far the fastest , easiest and most efficient route )


Either it pleases people like you or not , America is on the verge of not only importing foreign labor but it will do so on a massive scale The trump administration notwithstanding . Like someone else posted up thread the vast majority of jobs do not need advanced degrees to performed but rather training . In conclusion I'd suggest smug and pompous characters like you stop giving yourself the importance you don't have , immigrants don't owe you any achievement , there's no line in the American constitution that says within the first generation they must succeed to please characters like you .

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

New PP. We don't have to DO a damn thing with the 50 million whites without a college degree as long as they are they are US citizens. If not, they should be here illegally or they can leave too. Furthermore, college isn't the be-all end-all. If your fridge breaks or your wires corrode, you are going to probably call a non-college educated tradesman to fix it, and trust me, they make damn good money. Ditto lots of other trades. Ever hear of MikeRoweWorks Foundation? Why don't you look it up and remind yourself that there are good people in this world that aren't college educated. If I'm going to give my money to people to learn a trade, you damn well better believe I want an AMERICAN to be first in line. We don't need to import people in who aren't even literate in their own language, unless you are looking for slave labor.

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

I answered it - i would like to deport them but we can't. So in order to help their economic prospects (read up harvard borjas), we shouldn't really be letting in ttt level people from other countries to come here when we already have an over supply of this type.

The country isn't facing a labor shortage - if it was, the phillips curve would be showing skyrocketing wage inflation.

Achieving US citizenship is up to what society says (through its representative democracy) it means. You might not think it should be an achievement but in the modern world, it should be. One that is granted for those who will add a net positive economic value to the country (within their generation - not over the course of multiple generations).

Again you keep going on and on about what immigrants should achieve its quite comical since you're not even habilitated to do that ( but that's another topic), my initial statement stands . It's obvious you lack the intellectual depth and coefficient to discuss this issue . Part of Public policy is to enact policies for upcoming challenges as opposed to waiting to be hit with crisis like a deer in headlights .

10,000 Americans are turning 65 everyday just as America is dealing with the lowest birth rate on record, as if that wasn't enough labor participation rate stands at about 63% the lowest it's been since the 70s . Long story short more people are leaving the work force than entering it and that spells trouble because entitlements have to be paid for and remaining economically competitive requires having a healthy supply of young , able bodied and relatively work force . You'll need a pool of young workers that is higher than those exiting to pay the taxes that will finance those programs . There are only two ways to go about it ; 1) have Americans must start having more kids ( highly unlikely given the quasi absence of a strong social safety net and universal healthcare systems in the US) 2) import labor ( this is by far the fastest , easiest and most efficient route )


Either it pleases people like you or not , America is on the verge of not only importing foreign labor but it will do so on a massive scale The trump administration notwithstanding . Like someone else posted up thread the vast majority of jobs do not need advanced degrees to performed but rather training . In conclusion I'd suggest smug and pompous characters like you stop giving yourself the importance you don't have , immigrants don't owe you any achievement , there's no line in the American constitution that says within the first generation they must succeed to please characters like you .

Looking into the future (20+ years time horizon) is precisely why I support a more merit based immigration policy.

The demand for labor in future will be falling with increases in technological applications throughout the skill tree (robotics, automation, ai, etc). It is interesting to hear people who use your arguments regarding birth rates and labor force participation but then also talk about jobs being lost to automation.

So which is it - do we need millions of new workers or will there be a dearth of demand for workers looking into the future due to rises in automation. I side with McKinsey, oxford, and other institutions that forecast a huge effect on labor markets from the automation onslaught.

And the phillips curve and other measures of wage inflation bolster my argument regarding a lack of labor demand.

Paying for entitlements isn't only based on the number of workers you have to support older workers. Productivity and tax rates matter greatly. Your vision is to keep flooding the country with low skill labor engaging in low productivity work with not much increases to how we fund current entitlements.

Others want to increase the median skill level of the country, therefore driving higher productivity numbers and increase entitlement funding taxes to solve this issue.

No the american constitution also allows the federal government to control immigration in the way they see fit. You seem to be confused and think emma lazarus' pablum was written into the constitution.

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

New PP. We don't have to DO a damn thing with the 50 million whites without a college degree as long as they are they are US citizens. If not, they should be here illegally or they can leave too. Furthermore, college isn't the be-all end-all. If your fridge breaks or your wires corrode, you are going to probably call a non-college educated tradesman to fix it, and trust me, they make damn good money. Ditto lots of other trades. Ever hear of MikeRoweWorks Foundation? Why don't you look it up and remind yourself that there are good people in this world that aren't college educated. If I'm going to give my money to people to learn a trade, you damn well better believe I want an AMERICAN to be first in line. We don't need to import people in who aren't even literate in their own language, unless you are looking for slave labor.

mike rowe is bullshit artist. he never talks about the long term health effects of 'dirty jobs'. Is he for a robust universal health care system and a robust redistributive taxation system to make 'blue collar' jobs worth it?

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Anonymous wrote:Other issue is that we need to stop focusing on the word “shithole” and focus on the principle he was espousing for immigration. He wants to allow immigration from countries with white Europeans. On one side he talks about merit visa on the other side he has decided that he doesn’t want people from these countries. So he wants immigration based on color of skin and not merit.”Merit” is a code word to justify his racist policies.

Immigration from the ''white'' countries is practically shot down for a long time now.

Although I disagree with the statement ''s@hole countries=s@ty people'' but what is wrong with bringing more white people into this country? From Eastern Europe for example.
There are a little over 2 m of E Europeans in the US vs approx 3.2 m from African and N African countries.

Should immigration to the US take turns - ''one decade, one continent''?
What is so wrong with white people that liberals try to fight them off so hard?

no way - i can understand a desire for opening up more doors for western europeans. wanting eastern europeans to come just means you are viewing immigration on racial terms (though some could argue slavs and other eastern europeans aren't really white in the sense of what whiteness meant here historically).

Poles are not welcome by many in the UK, where things aren't quite viewed through muddled race terms.

i'm a liberal that supports many of the merit based arguments. it's the right that poisons the merit based policies with injecting racial points of view.

Dude, Slavs are typically whiter than most white Americans of Germanic descent

Slavs historically were not considered white (look at 1920's immigration policy).

If you are going by 'paleness' then i guess some japanese are white?

Seriously???? I did not know that, wow. Actually, that might be very true, Pols descend from Sarmatians, Russia has been occupied by Mongols for 300 years and Scythian lived there, too.

Well, I guess since Slavs are not white then it's perfectly fine to open mass immigration from E Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:Would the left apologize?

I think the best course of action is to move the government from Washington DC to Port-au-Prince, Haiti. See what happens in nirvana. Let's experience the diversity full-on!

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anonymous Admin wrote:The issue is not whether the countries are in difficult state, but whether such a state means that it’s inhabitants are undesired in the US. In fact, most of our ancestors came here from shitholes. The American dream is a penny less immigrant becoming wealthy through hard work. Trump would replace that dream with a racially clean vision of a white America.

what an utterly ridiculous statement. WTF do you get your "news"? good Lord, you need therapy.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm an African immigrant turned citizen , I think at the core of this issue is America's failure to teach its true history to its citizens through a non revisionist lens . I don't care if I'm told I come from a shithole country ( if I'm told this in an insulting or perjorative way) . I have mentioned in another thread , not sure what happened to it , that the shithole comment in and of itself wasn't really problematic anymore than it was contradictory . Who else is supposed to immigrate? Your European ancestors were overwhelmingly piss poor, illiterate , diseased , hungry and deeply traumatized by the endless wars in which Europe was mired in by the time they reached the American shores . For those looking to get a temporary high from their smugness , xenophobia and barely disguised racism , know this , you're spitting on the graves of your own ancestors



Trump's comments about bringing more immigrants from Norway should come as a surprise to exactly no one who pays attention to politics in this country . Republicans want to put draconian immigration laws to reverse the ongoing tectonic demographic change that they perceive as hugely disadvantageous to them. When you're the de facto white nationalist party and you're seeing less and less of your core group and more and more of a group that you've chosen to write off for half a century , panic sets in

+1 excellent post. Thank you.

-signed an Asian American immigrant turned citizen from a war torn, formerly sh1thole country.

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Anonymous wrote:The language was undignified and unpresidential but the real problem is that by calling those countries shitholes in that manner he implied that the people who live in those countries have no value. Which is racist, or maybe just super douchey and elitist. Regardless, not very presidential regardless of any country's objective 'shithouse' score.

How would you characterize yourself for equating having value with getting legal permission to immigrate in the U.S.? Elitist? Racist?

Yes, the third world is appallingly awful. You may even call it a shithole. What brings you to the conclusion that shitholes are void of good people, is beyond me. Immigration to the U.S. is not the measure of human value, I assure you. You are being extremely offensive, and I want you to know that.

--an immigrant

PP is not equating having value with getting legal permission to immigrate. He is stating that DJT's reference to shitholes (or shithouses, apparently) was about saying that people who come from such countries are not people we want here - IE that they have lesser value (if any) than people from Norway. Not because of their merit qualifications (many African immigrants have advanced degrees, and clearly at least some Norwegians do not) but because of their race. Clearly the President was NOT saying "Haiti and Africa have low incomes and associated problems, a situation with which I sympathize"

Well, by that rationale, a program like the Diversity Visa Program is about saying that people who come from such countries are people we want here - IE that they have more value (if any) than people from countries that are not included in the program. Not because of their merit qualifications, but because of their race.

Clearly you think President Trump only believes that we need to balance countries as in the DVP, and that his reference to shithole countries, in the same breath with wanting fewer people from those countries has nothing to do with disdain for those people, but is simply of a piece with the program itself. Given his convoluted speech, it is difficult to prove you wrong. But given his history of statements, and the fact that the WH and its defenders in the Senate continue to engage in denial and subterfuge about what he said, I think its clear most people do not think your reading of his words is accurate. Have a nice day.

I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

of course the irony here is that Norwegians love their social welfare, while the Africans have almost none and are used to working for every crumb and not relying on the state.

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

DP. UBI. It's a coming

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

DP. UBI. It's a coming

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

I answered it - i would like to deport them but we can't. So in order to help their economic prospects (read up harvard borjas), we shouldn't really be letting in ttt level people from other countries to come here when we already have an over supply of this type.

The country isn't facing a labor shortage - if it was, the phillips curve would be showing skyrocketing wage inflation.

Achieving US citizenship is up to what society says (through its representative democracy) it means. You might not think it should be an achievement but in the modern world, it should be. One that is granted for those who will add a net positive economic value to the country (within their generation - not over the course of multiple generations).

Again you keep going on and on about what immigrants should achieve its quite comical since you're not even habilitated to do that ( but that's another topic), my initial statement stands . It's obvious you lack the intellectual depth and coefficient to discuss this issue . Part of Public policy is to enact policies for upcoming challenges as opposed to waiting to be hit with crisis like a deer in headlights .

10,000 Americans are turning 65 everyday just as America is dealing with the lowest birth rate on record, as if that wasn't enough labor participation rate stands at about 63% the lowest it's been since the 70s . Long story short more people are leaving the work force than entering it and that spells trouble because entitlements have to be paid for and remaining economically competitive requires having a healthy supply of young , able bodied and relatively work force . You'll need a pool of young workers that is higher than those exiting to pay the taxes that will finance those programs . There are only two ways to go about it ; 1) have Americans must start having more kids ( highly unlikely given the quasi absence of a strong social safety net and universal healthcare systems in the US) 2) import labor ( this is by far the fastest , easiest and most efficient route )


Either it pleases people like you or not , America is on the verge of not only importing foreign labor but it will do so on a massive scale The trump administration notwithstanding . Like someone else posted up thread the vast majority of jobs do not need advanced degrees to performed but rather training . In conclusion I'd suggest smug and pompous characters like you stop giving yourself the importance you don't have , immigrants don't owe you any achievement , there's no line in the American constitution that says within the first generation they must succeed to please characters like you .

DP. How does someone with such a poor understanding of the subject feel comfortable posting something this long? Educate yourself before spouting off nonsense.