What if Trump is right, and these countries really are shotholes

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I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway.

He first got involved in politics calling for the execution of some black teens. He made his name nationally calling Obama a Kenyan by birth. He is a racist, and he clearly does not want immigrants from black countries. He doesn't have any idea what the GDP per capita of different african countries actually is, or how many African immigrants have college degrees. They are black. His base is happy that he calls places with lots of black people "shitholes" Look at the responses here, where people go on about what Haiti, Africa, and US inner cities have in common (its not immigration policy -it is the black skin of their inhabitants)

I made a post about this earlier but how many are from say top 100 global schools?

https://www.topuniversities.com/qs-world-university-rankings

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2017/world-ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

The 'college degree' is watered down. we shouldn't really want more ttt grads here (regardless of their country/race/background - i certainly don't want some young welsh person that went to Glyndwr University.

We should automatically staple green cards to african immigrants that attend top schools but there needs to be more granularity when assessing 'college graduates'.

And how many whites have graduated from top100 schools ? Do you not see what's wrong with that dumber than dumb argument of yours ? You want excellence from others while requiring nothing of yours at best and at worse looking the other way . Immigrants don't owe you an achievement and you don't get to define what's an achievement and what isn't . People immigrate for various that do no always have to do with economics , it could be for political , religious or hell for the fucking sake of it . There are close to 50 million whites in America without degree where do we deport them ?

unfortunately we can't really deport ttt grads who are already citizens. believe me, I would love to swap the hordes of directional school grads for University of Tokyo, IIT, IIM, c9 league (china) grads.

I don't want to add to the proles that are already here.

Actually yes, the government does get to define the parameters of immigration. Just like I couldn't waltz over to live in switzerland tomorrow if i wanted to - the swiss get to define who they let in and who they dont. Or here's an example the left is reticent to highlight - israel. What do you think israeli immigration looks like? It is highly regulated. I wonder if neoliberals would ever browbeat israel into being 'restrictionist'.

There is nothing wrong in having a high standard. What I dislike is mixing merit based standards with racism.

You either have reading comprehension issues or you're not as intelligent as you think you are . Your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote , I asked you what are we supposed to do with the 50 million whites with no college degrees you've yet to answer . You're going off on a tangent about the kind of school of graduates we need to import. This country is facing labor shortages in a growing number of critical sectors where degrees from hit silly list are not required , how do you plan to fill those ? While we're at it please define merit based immigration , I should at least know what I'm dealing With here . Furthermore and this needs repeating over and over again, being a US citizen isn't an achievement .

DP. UBI. It's a coming

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The poster asked what what "to do with 50 million whites with no college degrees and you've yet to answer." I am a different poster (DP) and responded "UBI" or Universal Basic Income will take care of the 50 million whites with no college degrees.

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Hey older white Republicans:

You can either have (1.) a comfortable retirement or (2.) totally closed borders.

You don't get both, because attaining (1.) is going to be more and more dependent on the tax revenues generated by hard workers from (2.)

Entitlements or closed borders - choose wisely.

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He is right:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

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Anonymous wrote:He is right:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

Becky needs to go back to school. The average African immigrant is more likely to have a bachelor's degree than the average white American.

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Anonymous wrote:He is right:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

Becky needs to go back to school. The average African immigrant is more likely to have a bachelor's degree than the average white American.

Its not fair to steal the best and brightest.

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Anonymous wrote:He is right:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

Becky needs to go back to school. The average African immigrant is more likely to have a bachelor's degree than the average white American.

PP here - i don't like average whtie americans either.

Imagine if the whole country was boulder, colorado or cambridge, massachusetts but WITH a racial mixture of: 16% black, 16% latinx, 16% jewish, 16% east asian, 16 % south asian, 16% 'white', the rest 'other'

That's the type of country we should strive for. racially blind but with extremely high human capital. the best of each race coming here.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey older white Republicans:

You can either have (1.) a comfortable retirement or (2.) totally closed borders.

You don't get both, because attaining (1.) is going to be more and more dependent on the tax revenues generated by hard workers from (2.)

Entitlements or closed borders - choose wisely.

Japan has a more comfortable retirement than White americans.

And they have defacto closed borders.

Taxation increases and automation solve a lot.

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1756 here - there was a recent economist podcast (the mag) which actually talked about how japan is making the lives of its senior citizens better.

Japanese seniors have much higher quality of lives (health, longevity, etc) than whites in the west do.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm an African immigrant turned citizen , I think at the core of this issue is America's failure to teach its true history to its citizens through a non revisionist lens . I don't care if I'm told I come from a shithole country ( if I'm told this in an insulting or perjorative way) . I have mentioned in another thread , not sure what happened to it , that the shithole comment in and of itself wasn't really problematic anymore than it was contradictory . Who else is supposed to immigrate? Your European ancestors were overwhelmingly piss poor, illiterate , diseased , hungry and deeply traumatized by the endless wars in which Europe was mired in by the time they reached the American shores . For those looking to get a temporary high from their smugness , xenophobia and barely disguised racism , know this , you're spitting on the graves of your own ancestors



Trump's comments about bringing more immigrants from Norway should come as a surprise to exactly no one who pays attention to politics in this country . Republicans want to put draconian immigration laws to reverse the ongoing tectonic demographic change that they perceive as hugely disadvantageous to them. When you're the de facto white nationalist party and you're seeing less and less of your core group and more and more of a group that you've chosen to write off for half a century , panic sets in

+1 excellent post. Thank you.

-signed an Asian American immigrant turned citizen from a war torn, formerly sh1thole country.

What factors caused you to leave?

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Anonymous wrote:He prefers people from countries who have Built civilizations, not people from countries that destroy civilizations

Was it Africans and the Haitians who sailed ships to Europe and spread disease and destruction? Did the Africans intentionally spread smallpox to the Native Europeans? How about this one, did the Haitians drop two nuclear bombs on two different European cities killing 800k+ people? Absolutely not. A quick glance at any American history book, reading comprehension, and common sense would tell you that it is Trump's preferred immigrant group that has historically destroyed civilizations of others.

I think you are mistaking this for the time when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbour

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Well liberals, all these supposedly high achieving immigrants should stay in their own countries and use their high levels of skills and talents to fix what's broken in their own home countries.

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A bunch of Africans moved to the States 200 years ago. And they still can’t survive on their own

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Anonymous wrote:Other issue is that we need to stop focusing on the word “shithole” and focus on the principle he was espousing for immigration. He wants to allow immigration from countries with white Europeans. On one side he talks about merit visa on the other side he has decided that he doesn’t want people from these countries. So he wants immigration based on color of skin and not merit.”Merit” is a code word to justify his racist policies.

Immigration from the ''white'' countries is practically shot down for a long time now.

Although I disagree with the statement ''s@hole countries=s@ty people'' but what is wrong with bringing more white people into this country? From Eastern Europe for example.
There are a little over 2 m of E Europeans in the US vs approx 3.2 m from African and N African countries.

Should immigration to the US take turns - ''one decade, one continent''?
What is so wrong with white people that liberals try to fight them off so hard?

no way - i can understand a desire for opening up more doors for western europeans. wanting eastern europeans to come just means you are viewing immigration on racial terms (though some could argue slavs and other eastern europeans aren't really white in the sense of what whiteness meant here historically).

Poles are not welcome by many in the UK, where things aren't quite viewed through muddled race terms.

i'm a liberal that supports many of the merit based arguments. it's the right that poisons the merit based policies with injecting racial points of view.

Dude, Slavs are typically whiter than most white Americans of Germanic descent

Slavs historically were not considered white (look at 1920's immigration policy).

If you are going by 'paleness' then i guess some japanese are white?

Seriously???? I did not know that, wow. Actually, that might be very true, Pols descend from Sarmatians, Russia has been occupied by Mongols for 300 years and Scythian lived there, too.

Well, I guess since Slavs are not white then it's perfectly fine to open mass immigration from E Europe.

For centuries Slavs were slaves, and the term "slave" derives from their name

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Anonymous wrote:Hey older white Republicans:

You can either have (1.) a comfortable retirement or (2.) totally closed borders.

You don't get both, because attaining (1.) is going to be more and more dependent on the tax revenues generated by hard workers from (2.)

Entitlements or closed borders - choose wisely.

Japan has a more comfortable retirement than White americans.

And they have defacto closed borders.

Taxation increases and automation solve a lot.

Just no grandchildren. The state has replaced the role once held by children.

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Anonymous wrote:He is right:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

Becky needs to go back to school. The average African immigrant is more likely to have a bachelor's degree than the average white American.

The average African who,is not part of the brain drain is stuck in a shithoke