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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The language was undignified and unpresidential but the real problem is that by calling those countries shitholes in that manner he implied that the people who live in those countries have no value. Which is racist, or maybe just super douchey and elitist. Regardless, not very presidential regardless of any country's objective 'shithouse' score.[/quote]

How would you characterize yourself for equating having value with getting legal permission to immigrate in the U.S.? Elitist? Racist?

Yes, the third world is appallingly awful. You may even call it a shithole. What brings you to the conclusion that shitholes are void of good people, is beyond me. Immigration to the U.S. is not the measure of human value, I assure you. You are being extremely offensive, and I want you to know that.

--an immigrant[/quote]

PP is not equating having value with getting legal permission to immigrate. He is stating that DJT's reference to shitholes (or shithouses, apparently) was about saying that people who come from such countries are not people we want here - IE that they have lesser value (if any) than people from Norway.   Not because of their merit qualifications (many African immigrants have advanced degrees, and clearly at least some Norwegians do not) but because of their race.  Clearly the President was NOT saying "Haiti and Africa have low incomes and associated problems, a situation with which I sympathize"  [/quote]

Well, by that rationale, a program like the Diversity Visa Program is about saying that people who come from such countries are people we want here - IE that they have more value (if any) than people from countries that are not included in the program. Not because of their merit qualifications, but because of their race.[/quote]

Clearly you think President Trump only believes that we need to balance countries as in the DVP, and that his reference to shithole countries, in the same breath with wanting fewer people from those countries has nothing to do with disdain for those people, but is simply of a piece with the program itself. Given his convoluted speech, it is difficult to prove you wrong.   But given his history of statements, and the fact that  the WH and its defenders in the Senate continue to engage in denial and subterfuge about what he said, I think its clear most people do not think your reading of his words is accurate.  Have a nice day. [/quote]

I don't think Trump is that nuanced. He means what he says, and often says the first thing that comes to his mind. He doesn't want immigrants from poor countries that are not doing well because he doesn't believe they will benefit the United States as much as immigration from countries like Norway. [/quote]
of course the irony here is that Norwegians love their social welfare, while the Africans have almost none and are used to working for every crumb and not relying on the state.[/quote]

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