50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“I’m also from central PA ( but not Centralia, LOL). I don’t beleive anybody would move there “in a second.” Makes me doubt this post.”

New PP here. Not sure why you say that. I miss my home town in central PA just outside of Harrisburg and love going back to visit my folks there. If I had a job I could do there I would have happily moved back.

I think some people are unaware of the movement to homestead. There's all sorts of people you can follow on youtube who want to disconnect from modern life and move back to the countryside and live on a few acres with some sheep and chickens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My chinese relatives apply for every program they have eligibility for.

Its not uncommon in asian communities to bring your parents over upon retirement and have them apply for benefits. You will see plenty of this on mitbbs and wenxuecity and the like, chinese schools sometimes have seminars on how to apply.


My hair stylist told me she brought her mother over from Vietnam years ago, and now Mama (who never worked a day here nor learned the language) enjoys a level of medical care that I cannot afford for myself. The stylist was bragging how her mother needs monthly treatments that cost $1000, and she gets them for free (!), but it turned out that I have the same condition - and the same doctor!! - and have to pay a fortune for them. The stylist seemed VERY embarrassed that her immigrant mother got better care than a citizen who has paid income tax for 30 years, and of a sudden she got very quiet.

There is something very wrong with a system that provides better benefits for non-productive immigrants than tax-contributing citizens.



She may have been quiet on the outside, but inside she was pleased and actually laughing about how easy it is to take advantage of the idiotic American system.



People don't seem to understand that America and (Northern) Europe are high trust cultures. Most of the recent immigrants to both the US and Europe are from low trust cultures, and think nothing of taking advantage of others unless they are part of their particular ingroup as this is to be expected in their society.

Outside of Japan and to a lesser degree Korea, most Asian cultures (China in particular) are low trust.




I am an asian immigrant and this comment is spot on. I know friends who are trying to game the system and put their parents on medicare. I dont understand how immigrants parents are eligible for Medicare .



You're probably aware of the issue of being a "public charge" when you go through the immigration system, and if you act as a guaranteeor how long you have that obligation when sponsoring a relative.

There are quite a few exceptions to being a "public charge".

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet

"public charge" is basicically restricted to SSI and TANF, those things that are cash payments.

SNAP, medicaid, chip, energy assistance housing and the like are all things you can qualify for, but it depends on the state. VA for example is more strict than MD when it comes to the time period before you are eligible.

Immigrant parents aren't eligible for medicare, just medicaid, unless they work their 40 quarters first, but people set up ways of paying for that as well (you need to pay about $650 a year in payroll taxes to qualify for 4 quarters).
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I know an Indian couple who is running a gas station convenience store. They have their dad running the counter and their mom is also on the payroll but does not actually work there. She provides free childcare at home. Anyways both grandparents make it look like they have been working for upto 4 quarters so that they get free medicare for life.

Just had conference call today’s within h1b Indian. Guy was supposed to be on call but had a kid in background bothering him and crying. He couldn’t help and was worthless. Abusing telework policy. All the lawyers on here seem like they don’t have to deal with these immigrants and how they warp the morale in a company

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My chinese relatives apply for every program they have eligibility for.

Its not uncommon in asian communities to bring your parents over upon retirement and have them apply for benefits. You will see plenty of this on mitbbs and wenxuecity and the like, chinese schools sometimes have seminars on how to apply.


My hair stylist told me she brought her mother over from Vietnam years ago, and now Mama (who never worked a day here nor learned the language) enjoys a level of medical care that I cannot afford for myself. The stylist was bragging how her mother needs monthly treatments that cost $1000, and she gets them for free (!), but it turned out that I have the same condition - and the same doctor!! - and have to pay a fortune for them. The stylist seemed VERY embarrassed that her immigrant mother got better care than a citizen who has paid income tax for 30 years, and of a sudden she got very quiet.

There is something very wrong with a system that provides better benefits for non-productive immigrants than tax-contributing citizens.



She may have been quiet on the outside, but inside she was pleased and actually laughing about how easy it is to take advantage of the idiotic American system.



People don't seem to understand that America and (Northern) Europe are high trust cultures. Most of the recent immigrants to both the US and Europe are from low trust cultures, and think nothing of taking advantage of others unless they are part of their particular ingroup as this is to be expected in their society.

Outside of Japan and to a lesser degree Korea, most Asian cultures (China in particular) are low trust.




I am an asian immigrant and this comment is spot on. I know friends who are trying to game the system and put their parents on medicare. I dont understand how immigrants parents are eligible for Medicare .



You're probably aware of the issue of being a "public charge" when you go through the immigration system, and if you act as a guaranteeor how long you have that obligation when sponsoring a relative.

There are quite a few exceptions to being a "public charge".

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet

"public charge" is basicically restricted to SSI and TANF, those things that are cash payments.

SNAP, medicaid, chip, energy assistance housing and the like are all things you can qualify for, but it depends on the state. VA for example is more strict than MD when it comes to the time period before you are eligible.

Immigrant parents aren't eligible for medicare, just medicaid, unless they work their 40 quarters first, but people set up ways of paying for that as well (you need to pay about $650 a year in payroll taxes to qualify for 4 quarters).
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I know an Indian couple who is running a gas station convenience store. They have their dad running the counter and their mom is also on the payroll but does not actually work there. She provides free childcare at home. Anyways both grandparents make it look like they have been working for upto 4 quarters so that they get free medicare for life.

Just had conference call today’s within h1b Indian. Guy was supposed to be on call but had a kid in background bothering him and crying. He couldn’t help and was worthless. Abusing telework policy. All the lawyers on here seem like they don’t have to deal with these immigrants and how they warp the morale in a company

I doubt too many lawyers outside of immigration lawyers are dealing with H1Bs since they don't have to compete against them unless that H1B has an LLM and can practice in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More than 50% of my husband's family - all who voted for trump - are on welfare programs. But they are white so it's okay, right?

You can imagine the percentage of Hillary supporters on welfare!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Including school lunches in this really muddies the numbers.

Lunches? How about breakfast, lunch and late afternoon snacks.

Weekend backpacks of food that are funded by the PTAs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care OP? What have they done to you? Do you get extra money for every child who goes to bed hungry?

Over populated my child's elementary school and half her class is taught in Spanish. Learn to f g speak English for starters and it is not the United States job to feed these children. You come here at least be able to provide for your children.

What a mean and spiteful monster you are. Please don't inject your venom of hatred into your children.

Says the mother whose kids attend an Arlington school with no ESOL and 3% FARMS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“I’m also from central PA ( but not Centralia, LOL). I don’t beleive anybody would move there “in a second.” Makes me doubt this post.”

New PP here. Not sure why you say that. I miss my home town in central PA just outside of Harrisburg and love going back to visit my folks there. If I had a job I could do there I would have happily moved back.

I think some people are unaware of the movement to homestead. There's all sorts of people you can follow on youtube who want to disconnect from modern life and move back to the countryside and live on a few acres with some sheep and chickens.

...yet they are depending on their large numbers of YouTube followers (and, presumably, YouTube ads) to make this disconnect from modern life a possibility?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“I’m also from central PA ( but not Centralia, LOL). I don’t beleive anybody would move there “in a second.” Makes me doubt this post.”

New PP here. Not sure why you say that. I miss my home town in central PA just outside of Harrisburg and love going back to visit my folks there. If I had a job I could do there I would have happily moved back.

I think some people are unaware of the movement to homestead. There's all sorts of people you can follow on youtube who want to disconnect from modern life and move back to the countryside and live on a few acres with some sheep and chickens.

...yet they are depending on their large numbers of YouTube followers (and, presumably, YouTube ads) to make this disconnect from modern life a possibility?

I believe the going rate is around $2.50 per thousand views so you need around 400,000 views to get at least $1,000 a month. I'm sure it helps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care OP? What have they done to you? Do you get extra money for every child who goes to bed hungry?

Over populated my child's elementary school and half her class is taught in Spanish. Learn to f g speak English for starters and it is not the United States job to feed these children. You come here at least be able to provide for your children.

I think it's great to be bilingual and many Americans speak Spanish. I purposely had our nanny speak to my children exclusively in Spanish so they would become fluent.

LOL @ this response!

the irony . . .

oh
the irony

[Anonymous]

I am an immigrant and I also have older relatives who have never worked in the US but are taking Medicare and social security disability benefits. The fraud is real and it is a legitimate source of resentment, even within my own family! This is why healthcare needs to be at a reasonable cost for all people, not just the poor or elderly. At the same time, immigration needs to be reformed so that relatives of people can’t just show up and leach off the system for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My chinese relatives apply for every program they have eligibility for.

Its not uncommon in asian communities to bring your parents over upon retirement and have them apply for benefits. You will see plenty of this on mitbbs and wenxuecity and the like, chinese schools sometimes have seminars on how to apply.


My hair stylist told me she brought her mother over from Vietnam years ago, and now Mama (who never worked a day here nor learned the language) enjoys a level of medical care that I cannot afford for myself. The stylist was bragging how her mother needs monthly treatments that cost $1000, and she gets them for free (!), but it turned out that I have the same condition - and the same doctor!! - and have to pay a fortune for them. The stylist seemed VERY embarrassed that her immigrant mother got better care than a citizen who has paid income tax for 30 years, and of a sudden she got very quiet.

There is something very wrong with a system that provides better benefits for non-productive immigrants than tax-contributing citizens.



She may have been quiet on the outside, but inside she was pleased and actually laughing about how easy it is to take advantage of the idiotic American system.



People don't seem to understand that America and (Northern) Europe are high trust cultures. Most of the recent immigrants to both the US and Europe are from low trust cultures, and think nothing of taking advantage of others unless they are part of their particular ingroup as this is to be expected in their society.

Outside of Japan and to a lesser degree Korea, most Asian cultures (China in particular) are low trust.




I am an asian immigrant and this comment is spot on. I know friends who are trying to game the system and put their parents on medicare. I dont understand how immigrants parents are eligible for Medicare .



You're probably aware of the issue of being a "public charge" when you go through the immigration system, and if you act as a guaranteeor how long you have that obligation when sponsoring a relative.

There are quite a few exceptions to being a "public charge".

https://www.uscis.gov/news/fact-sheets/public-charge-fact-sheet

"public charge" is basicically restricted to SSI and TANF, those things that are cash payments.

SNAP, medicaid, chip, energy assistance housing and the like are all things you can qualify for, but it depends on the state. VA for example is more strict than MD when it comes to the time period before you are eligible.

Immigrant parents aren't eligible for medicare, just medicaid, unless they work their 40 quarters first, but people set up ways of paying for that as well (you need to pay about $650 a year in payroll taxes to qualify for 4 quarters).
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I know an Indian couple who is running a gas station convenience store. They have their dad running the counter and their mom is also on the payroll but does not actually work there. She provides free childcare at home. Anyways both grandparents make it look like they have been working for upto 4 quarters so that they get free medicare for life.

Just had conference call today’s within h1b Indian. Guy was supposed to be on call but had a kid in background bothering him and crying. He couldn’t help and was worthless. Abusing telework policy. All the lawyers on here seem like they don’t have to deal with these immigrants and how they warp the morale in a company

If this is all true and there is such widespread and rampant fraud then why isn't any of it ever being reported?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care OP? What have they done to you? Do you get extra money for every child who goes to bed hungry?

Over populated my child's elementary school and half her class is taught in Spanish. Learn to f g speak English for starters and it is not the United States job to feed these children. You come here at least be able to provide for your children.

I think it's great to be bilingual and many Americans speak Spanish. I purposely had our nanny speak to my children exclusively in Spanish so they would become fluent.

LOL @ this response!

the irony . . .

oh
the irony

Not the PP being responded to but the person above sounds like a clueless jackass. You should check out the Southwest US sometime. There are Spanish-speaking families living there who have lived in the same exact communities for longer than America has ever existed. For example there are places in New Mexico which have their own unique dialects of Spanish which date back to the Spanish missions there 400 years ago.

America does not have an official language.

In New Orleans there are still many French speakers - they had multiple French-language newspapers regularly published up until a few decades ago.

In the Civil War there were entire regiments that were German speaking.

Learn some damn history and get a clue before you say "they need to learn to speak English" again.

[Anonymous]

I am an immigrant and I also have older relatives who have never worked in the US but are taking Medicare and social security disability benefits. The fraud is real and it is a legitimate source of resentment, even within my own family! This is why healthcare needs to be at a reasonable cost for all people, not just the poor or elderly. At the same time, immigration needs to be reformed so that relatives of people can’t just show up and leach off the system for the rest of their lives.

I am an immigrant and I have seen the exact same behavior in my community. This makes me so mad and wants to be a Trump supporter(I might even vote Republican in 2018). Although I have always voted democrat incidents like this makes me want to lean right. The sad part is most Americans in this forum dont want to do anything about it. They keep saying that we have domestic abuse of welfare too.

But immigrants abusing the system and people who are already living here abusing the system is completely different. People who have been here 2 or 3 generations have paid into the system at some point in their life. How is it fair that an immigrant who has been here for less than 5 years brings his or her parents to milk the Medicare system. I may have the chronology wrong but the abuse is real.

Can I at least can unilateral support from both sides that this abuse has to be stopped? We cannot let immigrants benefit from the system unless they pay for it simple!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am an immigrant and I also have older relatives who have never worked in the US but are taking Medicare and social security disability benefits. The fraud is real and it is a legitimate source of resentment, even within my own family! This is why healthcare needs to be at a reasonable cost for all people, not just the poor or elderly. At the same time, immigration needs to be reformed so that relatives of people can’t just show up and leach off the system for the rest of their lives.

I am an immigrant and I have seen the exact same behavior in my community. This makes me so mad and wants to be a Trump supporter(I might even vote Republican in 2018). Although I have always voted democrat incidents like this makes me want to lean right. The sad part is most Americans in this forum dont want to do anything about it. They keep saying that we have domestic abuse of welfare too.

But immigrants abusing the system and people who are already living here abusing the system is completely different. People who have been here 2 or 3 generations have paid into the system at some point in their life. How is it fair that an immigrant who has been here for less than 5 years brings his or her parents to milk the Medicare system. I may have the chronology wrong but the abuse is real.

Can I at least can unilateral support from both sides that this abuse has to be stopped? We cannot let immigrants benefit from the system unless they pay for it simple!

Some of it is compensated by the taxes paid by H1B for the benefits they never get to use. I paid into the SS system for six years without ever becoming eligible to receive them. Still am not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am an immigrant and I also have older relatives who have never worked in the US but are taking Medicare and social security disability benefits. The fraud is real and it is a legitimate source of resentment, even within my own family! This is why healthcare needs to be at a reasonable cost for all people, not just the poor or elderly. At the same time, immigration needs to be reformed so that relatives of people can’t just show up and leach off the system for the rest of their lives.

I am an immigrant and I have seen the exact same behavior in my community. This makes me so mad and wants to be a Trump supporter(I might even vote Republican in 2018). Although I have always voted democrat incidents like this makes me want to lean right. The sad part is most Americans in this forum dont want to do anything about it. They keep saying that we have domestic abuse of welfare too.

But immigrants abusing the system and people who are already living here abusing the system is completely different. People who have been here 2 or 3 generations have paid into the system at some point in their life. How is it fair that an immigrant who has been here for less than 5 years brings his or her parents to milk the Medicare system. I may have the chronology wrong but the abuse is real.

Can I at least can unilateral support from both sides that this abuse has to be stopped? We cannot let immigrants benefit from the system unless they pay for it simple!

Have you reported this abuse?