All clothing is ugly these days

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Anonymous wrote:They are not objectively ugly. There's a lot of wonderful fashion, exciting stuff, out here nowadays.

If you don't get it, your age might be sneaking up on you. As they say, the surest sign that you're older is that the music all becomes bad on the radio!

Objectively ugly:

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Self-Portrait-Off-the-Shoulder-Check-Wool-Frill-Top-Tops/prod203440079_cat42960827__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat42960827%2526pageSize%253D29%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod203440079&xbcpath=cat42960827%2Ccat17740747%2Ccat000001%2Ccat000000&cmCat=product

Objectively ugly:

https://www.anntaylor.com/lacy-fringe-dress/447581?skuId=23935204&defaultColor=5223&colorExplode=true&catid=cata000012

Objectively ugly:

http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=1070672&pcid=5037&vid=1&pid=797135002

Objectively ugly:

http://www.bodenusa.com/en-us/womens-tops-t-shirts/long-sleeved-tops/j0047-blk/womens-black-bud-hotchpotch-chepstow-jersey-top

But hey, go ahead and wear a sparkly pineapple button down.

Some of these are perfectly fine.

But even if they weren't- you're cherry picking clothing pieces. I guarantee you I could pick several shirts and outfits from the 60, 70s, 80s, 90s, aughts, etc that would be butt ugly. It would be absurd to try to claim that all fashion from those eras is objectively ugly because there are a few pieces I don't like.

Get a grip.

Where do you shop? I'm serious.

Why would I even tell you? You obviously shop from these places since you had all these things pulled up.

How old are you?

I'm the poster who posted all the links, and I'm not the OP. I'm also not the person who asked you where you shopped.

I think it's hilarious that you're being so grumpy, thinking you're yelling at one person, when it is actually at least three people.

I guess you don't understand how message boards work. Normally a new person would identify themselves as NP.

Yelling? My my, someone's feeling hyperbolic today...

New poster here. You do seem really grumpy. Maybe go have a drink, or just go to bed. You'll feel better! Are you a junior Ann Taylor deisgner or something? If so, do better. Clothing really is ugly lately.

Bwahahahaha. The matrons of DCUM giving their expert fashion advice yet again. I think you sound grumpy- and also in denial about the state of fashion today. Perhaps a dawning realization that your pantsuits aren't exactly the current look. Real downer, that.

NP here. I'm in merchandizing, and I'm in my early 30s. Degree from FIT. So I'm not a pantsuit apologizer, but even I will say that the state of retail and U.S. fashion is absolutely grim. Fabrics and construction are terrible.

The problem with design is one of cultural influence, in my opinion. The world used to be smaller; there used to be a few icons of any time--Jackie O, Lee Radziwill, CZ Guest, Babe Paley in the 60s, for example. Now with the internet, there are thousands of icons representing a multitude of cultures and styles. Used to be there were a few networks with a few TV shows, and a limited run of movies at any one time. Now, there are thousands of big and small screen influencers out there. OP actually made a good point with the Medieval/Tudors sleeves bit...don't think for a second that Game of Thrones hasn't influenced current looks. The problem is, that's just one program that's influencing the designers--it really is all "in a blender" as the original post said.

Okay, so it sounds like you prefer a much more retro style. And a much more conservative one, if the fashion icons you checked are any indication. There's a lot more diversity in style today- but for many people that's a great thing. Who cares if GOT has influenced current looks? TV shows have influenced style since the dawn of television- Miami Vice, anyone? You sound honestly quite confused for a fashion major, not to be aware of this. And to honestly believe that the fact that we have MORE choice, more options in what we wear is a bad thing. You want people to have more conformity in style? It honestly sounds like you have quite a boring sense of style- not to be rude but it's true- and simply cannot understand the plethora and ever changing trends that make up today's fashion landscape.

No, sorry, you missed the point. I wasn't saying CZ/Babe Paley should be anyone's icons. I'm saying they were all similar in the 60s, and at that time, they were IT. Now, you can have diverse influencers all at once, which is great, but designers need to pick a lane, and not try to emulate all those influencers at once. You can't be all things to all people. So decide what your niche is, and stick to it (I'm talking to designers here, not consumers). At least be consistent within one collection/season.

That's why J Crew and so many other mass retailers have disappointed their customers in recent years--they have tried to be all things to all customers, and they have failed.

I don't think designers do need to pick a lane. First of all, plenty of designers (most) do have a lane- even if you think they've tried to diversify said lane, they still have one. No one could argue that J. Crew didn't do the "quirky/preppy" look consistently over the past several years, even if that ultimately, for a variety of reasons, proved to be unsuccessful. And actually, companies that specialize in diversity and following trends often do incredibly well, much better than ones that keep a narrow focus. I find it hard to believe that anyone would argue for less diversity within the market rather than more.

NP.

Funny how you're the only poster who thinks designers and retailers have been getting it right these days. If you think duster-length cardigans with the shoulders cut out and pumpkin-print leggings are where it's at, go for it, I guess.

LOL.

Not really. If this were a fashion forum, or hell- even a forum known for having a small modicum of fashion knowledge, it might be notable. But sadly the opposite is true, so if anything, being on the opposite side of the majority here is pretty much confirmation that you're on the right track. As much as that may rile the frumps that make this board so distinctive.

LOL.

NP. Retail numbers are abysmal. Too bad no one's designing for us frumps. Turns out that people who have $$ to spend earn it by working at jobs they need to dress for.

Retail numbers are down across the board, which has to do with a myriad of factors. Not just for fashion- for nearly every industry. I'm sorry you weren't aware of this before. I guess you frumps don't have money for anything.

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Anonymous wrote:They are not objectively ugly. There's a lot of wonderful fashion, exciting stuff, out here nowadays.

If you don't get it, your age might be sneaking up on you. As they say, the surest sign that you're older is that the music all becomes bad on the radio!

Objectively ugly:

http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Self-Portrait-Off-the-Shoulder-Check-Wool-Frill-Top-Tops/prod203440079_cat42960827__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat42960827%2526pageSize%253D29%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod203440079&xbcpath=cat42960827%2Ccat17740747%2Ccat000001%2Ccat000000&cmCat=product

Objectively ugly:

https://www.anntaylor.com/lacy-fringe-dress/447581?skuId=23935204&defaultColor=5223&colorExplode=true&catid=cata000012

Objectively ugly:

http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=1070672&pcid=5037&vid=1&pid=797135002

Objectively ugly:

http://www.bodenusa.com/en-us/womens-tops-t-shirts/long-sleeved-tops/j0047-blk/womens-black-bud-hotchpotch-chepstow-jersey-top

But hey, go ahead and wear a sparkly pineapple button down.

Some of these are perfectly fine.

But even if they weren't- you're cherry picking clothing pieces. I guarantee you I could pick several shirts and outfits from the 60, 70s, 80s, 90s, aughts, etc that would be butt ugly. It would be absurd to try to claim that all fashion from those eras is objectively ugly because there are a few pieces I don't like.

Get a grip.

Where do you shop? I'm serious.

Why would I even tell you? You obviously shop from these places since you had all these things pulled up.

How old are you?

I'm the poster who posted all the links, and I'm not the OP. I'm also not the person who asked you where you shopped.

I think it's hilarious that you're being so grumpy, thinking you're yelling at one person, when it is actually at least three people.

I guess you don't understand how message boards work. Normally a new person would identify themselves as NP.

Yelling? My my, someone's feeling hyperbolic today...

New poster here. You do seem really grumpy. Maybe go have a drink, or just go to bed. You'll feel better! Are you a junior Ann Taylor deisgner or something? If so, do better. Clothing really is ugly lately.

Bwahahahaha. The matrons of DCUM giving their expert fashion advice yet again. I think you sound grumpy- and also in denial about the state of fashion today. Perhaps a dawning realization that your pantsuits aren't exactly the current look. Real downer, that.

NP here. I'm in merchandizing, and I'm in my early 30s. Degree from FIT. So I'm not a pantsuit apologizer, but even I will say that the state of retail and U.S. fashion is absolutely grim. Fabrics and construction are terrible.

The problem with design is one of cultural influence, in my opinion. The world used to be smaller; there used to be a few icons of any time--Jackie O, Lee Radziwill, CZ Guest, Babe Paley in the 60s, for example. Now with the internet, there are thousands of icons representing a multitude of cultures and styles. Used to be there were a few networks with a few TV shows, and a limited run of movies at any one time. Now, there are thousands of big and small screen influencers out there. OP actually made a good point with the Medieval/Tudors sleeves bit...don't think for a second that Game of Thrones hasn't influenced current looks. The problem is, that's just one program that's influencing the designers--it really is all "in a blender" as the original post said.

Okay, so it sounds like you prefer a much more retro style. And a much more conservative one, if the fashion icons you checked are any indication. There's a lot more diversity in style today- but for many people that's a great thing. Who cares if GOT has influenced current looks? TV shows have influenced style since the dawn of television- Miami Vice, anyone? You sound honestly quite confused for a fashion major, not to be aware of this. And to honestly believe that the fact that we have MORE choice, more options in what we wear is a bad thing. You want people to have more conformity in style? It honestly sounds like you have quite a boring sense of style- not to be rude but it's true- and simply cannot understand the plethora and ever changing trends that make up today's fashion landscape.

No, sorry, you missed the point. I wasn't saying CZ/Babe Paley should be anyone's icons. I'm saying they were all similar in the 60s, and at that time, they were IT. Now, you can have diverse influencers all at once, which is great, but designers need to pick a lane, and not try to emulate all those influencers at once. You can't be all things to all people. So decide what your niche is, and stick to it (I'm talking to designers here, not consumers). At least be consistent within one collection/season.

That's why J Crew and so many other mass retailers have disappointed their customers in recent years--they have tried to be all things to all customers, and they have failed.

I don't think designers do need to pick a lane. First of all, plenty of designers (most) do have a lane- even if you think they've tried to diversify said lane, they still have one. No one could argue that J. Crew didn't do the "quirky/preppy" look consistently over the past several years, even if that ultimately, for a variety of reasons, proved to be unsuccessful. And actually, companies that specialize in diversity and following trends often do incredibly well, much better than ones that keep a narrow focus. I find it hard to believe that anyone would argue for less diversity within the market rather than more.

NP.

Funny how you're the only poster who thinks designers and retailers have been getting it right these days. If you think duster-length cardigans with the shoulders cut out and pumpkin-print leggings are where it's at, go for it, I guess.

LOL.

Not really. If this were a fashion forum, or hell- even a forum known for having a small modicum of fashion knowledge, it might be notable. But sadly the opposite is true, so if anything, being on the opposite side of the majority here is pretty much confirmation that you're on the right track. As much as that may rile the frumps that make this board so distinctive.

LOL.

NP. Retail numbers are abysmal. Too bad no one's designing for us frumps. Turns out that people who have $$ to spend earn it by working at jobs they need to dress for.

Nice try. I have an amazing job and dress well every day. The stores I frequent include Saks, Burberry and Betsy Fisher. Quality and construction have gone down, and designers seem to have abandoned fitted waists, so everything hangs like a mumu. Not attractive, no matter if you are a 0 or a 12.

That might be a legitimate grievance. The fact that the style has changed to something the DCUM fraus cannot understand is not.

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You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP above. I remember every designer thinking they had to come up with something funky and creative. Um, this is not it:

https://www.jcrew.com/p/womens_category/shirtsandtops/sleeved/the-perfect-top-in-liberty-junes-meadow-floral/G7101?srcCode=GGBS00006_99104744563_871326198_43421867266_323994822406_t_pla_aud-298100884982:pla-323994822406_9007781&sale=true&isSaleItem=true&sisearchengine=197&siproduct=G7101&noPopUp=true&source=googlePLA&lsft=srcCode:GGBS00006_99104744563_871326198_43421867266_323994822406_t_pla_online__9007781&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2biSrJmr1gIVArnACh1r4AwHEAQYAiABEgL6v_D_BwE

Does anyone remember when Gucci was classy?
https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/women/womens-ready-to-wear/womens-dresses/cotton-knitted-dress-with-bow-p-467690X5Q534057?position=26&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Women/Womens-Ready-to-Wear/Womens-Dresses

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I just want to find the clothes Lorelei Gilmore wore in season 6.

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP above. I remember every designer thinking they had to come up with something funky and creative. Um, this is not it:

https://www.jcrew.com/p/womens_category/shirtsandtops/sleeved/the-perfect-top-in-liberty-junes-meadow-floral/G7101?srcCode=GGBS00006_99104744563_871326198_43421867266_323994822406_t_pla_aud-298100884982:pla-323994822406_9007781&sale=true&isSaleItem=true&sisearchengine=197&siproduct=G7101&noPopUp=true&source=googlePLA&lsft=srcCode:GGBS00006_99104744563_871326198_43421867266_323994822406_t_pla_online__9007781&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2biSrJmr1gIVArnACh1r4AwHEAQYAiABEgL6v_D_BwE

Does anyone remember when Gucci was classy?
https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/women/womens-ready-to-wear/womens-dresses/cotton-knitted-dress-with-bow-p-467690X5Q534057?position=26&listName=PGUS4Cols&categoryPath=Women/Womens-Ready-to-Wear/Womens-Dresses

Gucci's collections lately have been absolutely incredible and almost universally acclaimed. The fact that you would pick that to demonstrate how "bad" fashion has become is proof positive that you simply have bad taste (not that you're in bad company on here)

Newsflash: most designers don't design for the DC sense of style. And thank God, cause we'd all be walking around in knee length skirts and button downs.

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

Yes, because I definitely want the approval of the DCUM hausfraus.

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

Yes, because I definitely want the approval of the DCUM hausfraus.

Put up or shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

Yes, because I definitely want the approval of the DCUM hausfraus.

Put up or shut up.

Hold on.. let me find a photo of a pair of khakis and a button down that will really impress you guys...

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

Yes, because I definitely want the approval of the DCUM hausfraus.

Put up or shut up.

Hold on.. let me find a photo of a pair of khakis and a button down that will really impress you guys...

Put up or shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:You are so right OP! I spent 5 hours at tysons Friday trying to find a dress for an event and some business casual type clothes. Ugh...the first time I saw a bell sleeve shirt I thought it was kind of cute, but, now....each one is more ridiculous than the next, with these big weird chunky sleeves, all of these hideous floral prints and, of course, the cut outs and cold shoulder.

I'm a 40 something mom with a conservative job. I have one cold shoulder too and one with bell sleeves. That's enough!!! I'm not buying more, how many of such an obviously trendy item would you want?

This! And for the 22yo poster who loves the depressed peasant look, not all of us can or want to wear this dreck. I'm a former designer from NYC and I can't find anything to wear! Now I understand why all the moms at pickup wear yoga pants! I've started sewing again, too. I just need some help fitting myself...

Right, because you're old and don't have a good sense of style. We covered that.

Please give us some examples of what you wear. We will judge if you have a sense of style or not.

Yes, because I definitely want the approval of the DCUM hausfraus.

Put up or shut up.

Hold on.. let me find a photo of a pair of khakis and a button down that will really impress you guys...

Put up or shut up.

Hold on.. let me find a photo of a pair of khakis and a button down that will really impress you guys...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I gave up and started to buy Eileen Fisher.

If you buy carefully, garnet hill has some okay stuff.

Yes, this is true. I give up too.