SATC: what is it that Big found hard to handle about Carrie?

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. What else about SATC can we talk about? Not the movies.

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Trey is getting a bad rap in this thread for being stiff and boring but so was Charlotte. They were equally matched IMO.

Speaking of those 2, something that always bugged me was him giving her the apartment in the divorce. That was prime real estate and had been in his family for generations - and he gives her the house, where she moves her new husband in and has a family there.

Trey and Charlotte couldn't have been married more than 15 months and that includes a separation. I'm usually not team MIL, but Bunny really should have pulled out the big guns, maybe had Trey declared insane - whatever it took to put a stop to that nonsense.

See, I think that story line was great and seemed accurate. It was so sad when Trey told Charlotte he didn't want any children. I mean, that's devastating and he's such a good man to give her the apartment. I think in real life it would have gone down a similar way. "Trey gave me that apartment"-"it wasn't his to give", and then the telegram "Charlotte was a wonderful wife. Give her everything she wants. seriously mother. Stop".

I thought it seemed really stupid. A telegram? REally? Was it 1936? She might have been a good wife, but that didn't mean she deserved a mulit-million dollar piece of property that had been in his family for years.

A few years of alimony, sure. Or a payout. But COME ON.

I just think Trey was a really good guy, and he knew how terrible his mother was. He loved charlotte, he knew he had failed her, and he wanted to make it up to her. Maybe he didn't want his mother to have the house and wanted charlotte to be able to have her future family there.

I never thought she was that bad but I have the MIL from hell.

Bunny was pretty harmless.

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Anonymous wrote:Trey was nice but wasn't very supportive during infertility. I think Harry worked because he was very blunt. Charlotte needed someone a bit more assertive. Trey was too passive.

Trey was "beta,"Harry and especially Big were more "alpha."

On the subject of characters-- Did anyone think Samantha and Charlotte were more or less one dimensional, with Carrie and Miranda being more multidimensional? Of course, Carrie was the central character and narrator, so we heard her insights more.

I think they did try to add layers to both Charlotte and Samantha by having them face challenges unique to their particular dispositions. Charlotte is a Park Ave. Princess who wanted to marry Prince Charming. Well...she did and found out all that glitters is not gold. When she ended up with the "beast" that is Harry to her "beauty," she demonstrated a lot of growth and agency.

Same thing with Sam and the Smith and cancer story line. We also sensed that Sam was sexually promiscuous because of her deep sense of insecurity. She thought no man could possibly want her for anything other than her body. I don't necessarily think Carrie and Miranda were more developed than the other two.

You are right. I guess I just always found the Samantha storylines and character uninteresting. Charlotte's storylines were interesting at times; the Trey marriage and the Bunny character were interesting. I found it unrealistic that she would go for an unattractive, obnoxious family law lawyer, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. What else about SATC can we talk about? Not the movies.

The entire storyline when she had breast cancer. Made her very human, and I liked her after that.

I think my favorite episode is the one where Miranda and Steve get married and Samantha shares her diagnosis. Also the one where they go to Philly for Miranda's mom's funeral. I still cry when the bra sales lady hugs her in the dressing room and then Steve and Aiden are at the funeral! So good.

I wouldn't call it my favorite episode but the scene at the wedding where Samantha shares her diagnosis but they try not to tell Miranda has really stuck with me. Great scene.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. What else about SATC can we talk about? Not the movies.

The entire storyline when she had breast cancer. Made her very human, and I liked her after that.

I think my favorite episode is the one where Miranda and Steve get married and Samantha shares her diagnosis. Also the one where they go to Philly for Miranda's mom's funeral. I still cry when the bra sales lady hugs her in the dressing room and then Steve and Aiden are at the funeral! So good.

See Big would never have made such a gesture. Carrie was an idiot to let Aiden go.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure. Of all the women Char consistently dated blue blooded super wealthy guys. Even for casual sex she wouldn't consider anyone who wasn't a lawyer or an investment banker and she was the most obviously classist.

That's not so! I distinctly remember the secret sex episode when Charlotte admitted that she had sex with an Orthodox Jewish artist named Shmuel!

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Carrie's short hair was the best.

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Carrie never gave a crap about Big's money. They both had bad relatioships with their fathers and weren't gonna trust anybody so Carrie just pushed and pushed Big until; he pushed backed and they finally figured out they were tired from the fight and finally married.Trey was a respected doctor with a mother problem and a trust fund which was very alluring to Charlotte. However, when push came to shove she preffered the funny looking jew who she loved with her whole heart and converted for.

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Irl if a man does that, you are his side chick

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Anonymous wrote:Trey is old money wealthy. His family is wealthy, probably from multiple generations of wealth. He went to top schools and got a nice paying job as a doctor.

Big is new money wealthy. He didn't come from wealth (or only modestly wealthy), but went to school and got a very high paying job in NYC.

It's pretty apparent that they were differentiating between old and new money with these two characters.

Where did the show reveal that Big was new money? The episode where he went to the Episcopalian church with his mother made him seem very old money. He always seemed to be connected, too...and the 24/7 driver. Also, his name was John James Preston. I think both he and Trey were old money, and that is why Big wound up with Natasha. He just wasn't as stuffy as Trey. We don't learn as much about his background bc he was supposed to remain a mystery.

No. No. Trey was old money from generational wealth. Big was self-made in finance with UMC wealthy parents (but not family office sort of money). Many wall st. bankers had black cars the firm would expense out for late nights at the office so that’s a moot point

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Anonymous wrote:Carrie never gave a crap about Big's money. They both had bad relatioships with their fathers and weren't gonna trust anybody so Carrie just pushed and pushed Big until; he pushed backed and they finally figured out they were tired from the fight and finally married.Trey was a respected doctor with a mother problem and a trust fund which was very alluring to Charlotte. However, when push came to shove she preffered the funny looking jew who she loved with her whole heart and converted for.

Lol. The most materialistic character on the show didn't care about his money? Please. She loved the town car, fancy restaurants, and upper east side apartment that was custom decorated with his money. She hated Aidan's KFC and country cottage, didn't think he fit into her NYC uptown girl life style and was embarrassed by him at times. Just like Big had to get over his embarrassment that Carrie was not a classic Calvin Klein upper east side pedigreed girl.

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Anonymous wrote:I love this thread. What else about SATC can we talk about? Not the movies.

The entire storyline when she had breast cancer. Made her very human, and I liked her after that.

I think my favorite episode is the one where Miranda and Steve get married and Samantha shares her diagnosis. Also the one where they go to Philly for Miranda's mom's funeral. I still cry when the bra sales lady hugs her in the dressing room and then Steve and Aiden are at the funeral! So good.

See Big would never have made such a gesture. Carrie was an idiot to let Aiden go.

Big wouldn't even go to her goddaughter's Carnegie Hall debut. Once a selfish @ss, always a selfish @ss. She wasn't mature enough to fully appreciate Aidan's good heart and genuine love until she was older.

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A Big type man would never have a serious relationship with a Carrie type woman. A fling, yes.

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The creators were gay men and this is their shallow view of how relationships and life work. You can’t seriously analyze this show.

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Anonymous wrote:Trey is old money wealthy. His family is wealthy, probably from multiple generations of wealth. He went to top schools and got a nice paying job as a doctor.

Big is new money wealthy. He didn't come from wealth (or only modestly wealthy), but went to school and got a very high paying job in NYC.

It's pretty apparent that they were differentiating between old and new money with these two characters.

+1

SATC did an excellent job portraying NYers from different socioeconomic backgrounds.

Even though there was a social discrepancy between Big and Carrie, Big was not truly upper class. He was cosplaying as upper class socially due to likely having amassed wealth in his profession as a banker to compete with the upper classes.

Like Carrie he was a social climber and his choice of wife reflected that every time. Now that he wanted in , he targeted women from the NYC upper class.

The one-time appearance of his mother does raise questions, however, as she had the airs of someone who was upper class. Her behavior contradicts Big's ostentatious displays of wealth and status. So Maybe he Is supposed to also be upper class?

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In addition to all of these great thoughts, I also felt like Carrie was not quite WASPy enough for him. Maybe in his career he needed someone more blue blood. And then there was the fact that she wrote a sex column. Maybe his peers would have thought it was a bit unseemly-kinda like the pee politician said. I kinda saw Natasha as more "virginal" too. I always got the feeling that he loved hanging out with carrie, and loved sex with carrie but she just didnt seem like marriage material to him, and maybe he knew deep down SHE truly wasnt the marrying type-which we clearly saw with Aidan. But Big was always my favorite-BY FAR!. I Was really said when they killed him off immediately in And Just Like That.... i would have loved to see them live happily for a while