Shocking Penn State hazing incident

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

Hadn't heard that - what did they say happened?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

Hadn't heard that - what did they say happened?

In addition to not disclosing what happened to Tim and the exact timing, they attempted to clean up the evidence, deleted text messages discussing it, were seen on surveillance punching him, moving him, throwing water on him etc. They lied to everyone they spoke with regarding what happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

Hadn't heard that - what did they say happened?

In addition to not disclosing what happened to Tim and the exact timing, they attempted to clean up the evidence, deleted text messages discussing it, were seen on surveillance punching him, moving him, throwing water on him etc. They lied to everyone they spoke with regarding what happened.

Yeah - none of that stuff is about 'too much alcohol'. It's about crappy immoral people committing crimes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy's older brother goes to PSU as well. When Tim hadn't come home, his roommate called Tim's brother and I guess the brother had a hunch bc he called the local emergency room and was told his younger brother was there. How awful. Those sons of bitches. They could have dumped him outside at 10 pm, called his brother and said - come get him, he may need to go to the hospital but you figure it out. The older bro had decided frat life wasn't for him and he suspected it wouldn't be for Tim either but when he said he wanted to pledge, the older bro told him about the craziness, to not careful, walk away anytime etc. So I fully believe if the older bro had gotten a phone call, he would have been there and Tim would have gotten care 12 hrs earlier.

Wow, that makes what happened even more horrible.

The brother was with his parents when they gave an interview to NBC the other day. He looked so angry.

Now I get why.

Truly horrific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

Yeah it's a stupid concept. It's basically a general northeast population at a large state school. You get what you get.
However the school is responsible for cultivating citizens who don't condemn a football coach turning a blind eye to repeated violent child sexual abuse for 20+ years and for that they should be condemned. The whole school needs to work on their ethics and maybe give up football for 10 years until they get that straightened out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

Yeah it's a stupid concept. It's basically a general northeast population at a large state school. You get what you get.
However the school is responsible for cultivating citizens who don't condemn a football coach turning a blind eye to repeated violent child sexual abuse for 20+ years and for that they should be condemned. The whole school needs to work on their ethics and maybe give up football for 10 years until they get that straightened out.

But again, Penn State did not "cultivate and create", people are who they are. There are some people who will never hear anything that does not fit with his or her beliefs. On the other hand, there are many people who do not fully research a topic prior to making a broad general opinion. It goes both ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

Yeah it's a stupid concept. It's basically a general northeast population at a large state school. You get what you get.
However the school is responsible for cultivating citizens who don't condemn a football coach turning a blind eye to repeated violent child sexual abuse for 20+ years and for that they should be condemned. The whole school needs to work on their ethics and maybe give up football for 10 years until they get that straightened out.

But again, Penn State did not "cultivate and create", people are who they are. There are some people who will never hear anything that does not fit with his or her beliefs. On the other hand, there are many people who do not fully research a topic prior to making a broad general opinion. It goes both ways.

Yes, you are who you are but you are also greatly influenced by your environment and the collective culture of the people around you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

Yeah it's a stupid concept. It's basically a general northeast population at a large state school. You get what you get.
However the school is responsible for cultivating citizens who don't condemn a football coach turning a blind eye to repeated violent child sexual abuse for 20+ years and for that they should be condemned. The whole school needs to work on their ethics and maybe give up football for 10 years until they get that straightened out.

But again, Penn State did not "cultivate and create", people are who they are. There are some people who will never hear anything that does not fit with his or her beliefs. On the other hand, there are many people who do not fully research a topic prior to making a broad general opinion. It goes both ways.

Yes, you are who you are but you are also greatly influenced by your environment and the collective culture of the people around you.

But is it a collective culture? Yes, there are many blind followers, but is that the WHOLE student population and alumni? I think what you are saying may be true for some, but to make a blanket statement is just too broad. So, everyone who has any affiliation with Penn State is a heartless being with no morals? Every person affiliated would allow someone to die in front of them and do nothing to stop it? That would be like blaming every person of Catholic faith for the actions of a few. Sorry, I can't do it...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy's older brother goes to PSU as well. When Tim hadn't come home, his roommate called Tim's brother and I guess the brother had a hunch bc he called the local emergency room and was told his younger brother was there. How awful. Those sons of bitches. They could have dumped him outside at 10 pm, called his brother and said - come get him, he may need to go to the hospital but you figure it out. The older bro had decided frat life wasn't for him and he suspected it wouldn't be for Tim either but when he said he wanted to pledge, the older bro told him about the craziness, to not careful, walk away anytime etc. So I fully believe if the older bro had gotten a phone call, he would have been there and Tim would have gotten care 12 hrs earlier.

Wow, that makes what happened even more horrible.

The brother was with his parents when they gave an interview to NBC the other day. He looked so angry.

Now I get why.

Truly horrific.

The brother looked angry in the CBS interview too. He was the one who had to call his parents from the hospital and tell them . . . and stay with his younger bro until the parents arrived; it's possible he was on the life flight to Hershey Medical center as well (if allowed) bc the ER he was taken to on campus just couldn't handle the level of trauma he had . . . . So yeah after his brother's frat bros created this horrible unnecessary situation, his real brother was thrown in to deal with it and he's only like 20-21 yrs old himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

Hadn't heard that - what did they say happened?

In addition to not disclosing what happened to Tim and the exact timing, they attempted to clean up the evidence, deleted text messages discussing it, were seen on surveillance punching him, moving him, throwing water on him etc. They lied to everyone they spoke with regarding what happened.

And don't forget they also put a clean shirt on him before he was taken from the house - so he'd look 'better' to the doctors. Bc of course no doctor will question 12+ hrs of injuries, brain responses etc. bc he was a fresh spiffy polo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

Seriously?? Everyone has an opinion regarding this matter, however, at least make a valid argument...

Yeah it's a stupid concept. It's basically a general northeast population at a large state school. You get what you get.
However the school is responsible for cultivating citizens who don't condemn a football coach turning a blind eye to repeated violent child sexual abuse for 20+ years and for that they should be condemned. The whole school needs to work on their ethics and maybe give up football for 10 years until they get that straightened out.

PSU could screen applicants better to get a mix that wasn't as myopic and prone to being such unruly unwashed philistines.

how do they do this?

increase academic scholarships and market them nationwide so you get smart, studious but poor kids to come and take the spots of unruly wealthier kids (that make up frats).

cut the student body by 50% - it is overcrowded as it is. the bottom 50% in academics are pushed into the branch campuses.

tell the state to keep their pittance in funds (the state doesn't give psu much money) and convert into a private school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

+1

Most people just go to their local state schools. Going out of state is expensive for most people.

Almost 40% of Penn State students are out-of-state.

I was a psu Schreyer honors alum who was schocked at how many OOS kids were there. I didn't get it. Except for those who were Jefferson med direct admits, why would you go to psu out of state

Yep. I've always wondered this too. Reality is it isn't that great of a school so why pay OOS money for it -- though New Yorkers/NJ folks are conditioned to pay lots of money for education? I really think it's bc NJ folks look down on Rutgers and NY folks look down on SUNY -- they don't want to say they/their kid is JUST going to Rutgers. It's at least a point of pride to be able to say they're still going OOS for college -- even though it's still a state school.

[Anonymous]

I went to high school with a kid that was killed during a fraternity hazing. They got the boys drunk, stripped them, blindfolded them and marched them across a highway in the coldest winter on record. They were told they had to touch each other and let your brother be your guide. No matter what they heard they were to touch their brother and keep walking.

It was some stupid trust crap.

A car hit them. Dead at 18. He was an only child going to be a doctor like his father.

That particular fraternity no longer exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

Hadn't heard that - what did they say happened?

In addition to not disclosing what happened to Tim and the exact timing, they attempted to clean up the evidence, deleted text messages discussing it, were seen on surveillance punching him, moving him, throwing water on him etc. They lied to everyone they spoke with regarding what happened.

And don't forget they also put a clean shirt on him before he was taken from the house - so he'd look 'better' to the doctors. Bc of course no doctor will question 12+ hrs of injuries, brain responses etc. bc he was a fresh spiffy polo.

Makes you realize that in addition to being morally bankrupt, these kid are also just plain stupid.