Shocking Penn State hazing incident

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Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

Fair point that if you a student already there, you have nothing to do with that. However, once the scandal broke out and it was clear that PSU football and upper level administration turned a blind eye towards these heinous crimes, why would you want to affiliate yourself with that school? When someone mentions Penn State to me, I immediately think of Sandusky.

I'd disagree.....I think students became actors in the Sandusky scandal when the rioted in protest of Paterno's dismissal. That showed the world what Penn State students stood for.....a football program over the victims. It painted the student body and the entire university in an extremely negative light.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

PA has more than one in-state school.

[Anonymous]

The alumni recently voted in Paterno's son to the Board of Trustees. There is something wrong at this school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

How many students actually rioted? Penn State has something like 50,000 students.

Fair point that if you a student already there, you have nothing to do with that. However, once the scandal broke out and it was clear that PSU football and upper level administration turned a blind eye towards these heinous crimes, why would you want to affiliate yourself with that school? When someone mentions Penn State to me, I immediately think of Sandusky.

I'd disagree.....I think students became actors in the Sandusky scandal when the rioted in protest of Paterno's dismissal. That showed the world what Penn State students stood for.....a football program over the victims. It painted the student body and the entire university in an extremely negative light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

Fair point that if you a student already there, you have nothing to do with that. However, once the scandal broke out and it was clear that PSU football and upper level administration turned a blind eye towards these heinous crimes, why would you want to affiliate yourself with that school? When someone mentions Penn State to me, I immediately think of Sandusky.

I'd disagree.....I think students became actors in the Sandusky scandal when the rioted in protest of Paterno's dismissal. That showed the world what Penn State students stood for.....a football program over the victims. It painted the student body and the entire university in an extremely negative light.

How many students actually rioted? Penn State has something like 50,000 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

+1

Most people just go to their local state schools. Going out of state is expensive for most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

I didn't say Penn State made them do it. I said Penn State attracts a disproportionate amount of people that lean immoral and are not too bright. Why would anybody with any choices choose Penn State. Think about it

Where did you find these statistics?

The Sandusky scandal did not involve any students

If you choose not to attend a certain University, then don't go.

Fair point that if you a student already there, you have nothing to do with that. However, once the scandal broke out and it was clear that PSU football and upper level administration turned a blind eye towards these heinous crimes, why would you want to affiliate yourself with that school? When someone mentions Penn State to me, I immediately think of Sandusky.

I'd disagree.....I think students became actors in the Sandusky scandal when the rioted in protest of Paterno's dismissal. That showed the world what Penn State students stood for.....a football program over the victims. It painted the student body and the entire university in an extremely negative light.

How many students actually rioted? Penn State has something like 50,000 students.

Did you watch any of the footage of the riots and protests? It would be foolish to condemn the entire student body but it would also be foolish to ignore a repeated pattern of events at Penn State that seem to defend attackers and ignore victims. I thought it was astounding that not one member of the Penn State faculty or administration attended this poor boy's funeral. Nor did any of the members of the fraternity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

+1

Most people just go to their local state schools. Going out of state is expensive for most people.

Almost 40% of Penn State students are out-of-state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is wrong with the character of people who would voluntarily choose Penn State. That's why all this inexplicable souless activist occurs there. The people and atmosphere are toxic.

The young men who made the conscious decision to allow this man to suffer and die without making any effort to help should be held responsible. Penn State did not "make" these men behave in such a heartless manner. The issue here is the complete lack of any ethics, moral responsibility, or basic common sense. These kids did not "become" this way because of the college they went to.

Psu is responsible because it accepted these kids without screening out their profile

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

They should write on their resume in parentheses (in-state student forced to attend due to financial reasons)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

+1

Most people just go to their local state schools. Going out of state is expensive for most people.

Almost 40% of Penn State students are out-of-state.

I was a psu Schreyer honors alum who was schocked at how many OOS kids were there. I didn't get it. Except for those who were Jefferson med direct admits, why would you go to psu out of state

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem isn't so much with the drinking. It's the callous way that they treated a human being who was slowly dying right in front of them. All they had to do was pick up a phone and dial 911.

And then they lied about what happened after he finally did get to a hospital!

Wait - they did? Are you referring to all the CYA texts or did they affirmatively lie to doctors or something?

They lied to the ER doctors about what had happened to him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The blame needs to be placed on the individuals who made the decision to allow their "brother" to die. This is not the same as the Sandusky scandal.

Of course the blame needs to be placed on the individuals. But, I don't know anyone who, if he had the choice, would willingly attend a college with a terrible moral stigma.

That argument may work when describing the rich Washington kids who choose to go there, but what about the struggling kids from PA who need to attend an in-state school for econonomic reasons?

+1

Most people just go to their local state schools. Going out of state is expensive for most people.

Almost 40% of Penn State students are out-of-state.

I was a psu Schreyer honors alum who was schocked at how many OOS kids were there. I didn't get it. Except for those who were Jefferson med direct admits, why would you go to psu out of state

It's a lot of kids from the northeast who didn't get into a top private, but don't want to go to a SUNY either. People in NY, NJ and Mass tend to look down on their local state schools, and think it's somehow more respectable to send their kids to an OOS "flagship." People in the northeast also traditionally spend MUCH more on college education than in other regions, so they don't find it odd to spend $30-40k/year on an out of state, public school, when they could get an equivalent education at a decent SUNY for 1/3 of that.