Can someone please explain to me why "baby it's cold outside" is about date rape?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

There are plenty of modern, sexually confident women who want to be wooed.

Honestly, this thread isn't convincing me that today's women are any more sexually enlightened than they were in the 40s. Quite the opposite in fact. Some posters on this thread sound like they are 12 years old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

There are plenty of modern, sexually confident women who want to be wooed.

Honestly, this thread isn't convincing me that today's women are any more sexually enlightened than they were in the 40s. Quite the opposite in fact. Some posters on this thread sound like they are 12 years old.

And I doubt any of the young women posting on here could give a rat's bum what you think, if were being honest. How old are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

There are plenty of modern, sexually confident women who want to be wooed.

Honestly, this thread isn't convincing me that today's women are any more sexually enlightened than they were in the 40s. Quite the opposite in fact. Some posters on this thread sound like they are 12 years old.

I'm 80% convinced that most people offended by this song have never been in a real happy and consensual relationship.

Sometimes my husband suggests sex and I say, half heartedly, oh but there's dishes to do, and he pushes and I say, oh I have to start a load of laundry, then he pushes some more and I laugh and run up the stairs with him. That isn't a rapey interaction and the only way I can imagine these women feel like it is is that they've just never experienced what the song is showing.

The only person I know who feels this way ally this song in real life is a very passionate feminist who is also a 30 year old virgin living with her parents who accuses every guy that hits on her of being a stalker.

Humans will never get together again if we can't have some coy courtship!!

I can't imagine my husband coming up to me and asking me to confirm verbally that I want intercourse and immediately always walking away if I hesitate!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

There are plenty of modern, sexually confident women who want to be wooed.

Honestly, this thread isn't convincing me that today's women are any more sexually enlightened than they were in the 40s. Quite the opposite in fact. Some posters on this thread sound like they are 12 years old.

I'm 80% convinced that most people offended by this song have never been in a real happy and consensual relationship.

Sometimes my husband suggests sex and I say, half heartedly, oh but there's dishes to do, and he pushes and I say, oh I have to start a load of laundry, then he pushes some more and I laugh and run up the stairs with him. That isn't a rapey interaction and the only way I can imagine these women feel like it is is that they've just never experienced what the song is showing.

The only person I know who feels this way ally this song in real life is a very passionate feminist who is also a 30 year old virgin living with her parents who accuses every guy that hits on her of being a stalker.

Humans will never get together again if we can't have some coy courtship!!

I can't imagine my husband coming up to me and asking me to confirm verbally that I want intercourse and immediately always walking away if I hesitate!!

And I'm 31, voted for Hilary, very feminist. Before some pp accuses be of being ancient and out of touch.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes my husband suggests sex and I say, half heartedly, oh but there's dishes to do, and he pushes and I say, oh I have to start a load of laundry, then he pushes some more and I laugh and run up the stairs with him

Playing games may work short-term, but I'm glad I don't have your marriage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Sometimes my husband suggests sex and I say, half heartedly, oh but there's dishes to do, and he pushes and I say, oh I have to start a load of laundry, then he pushes some more and I laugh and run up the stairs with him

Playing games may work short-term, but I'm glad I don't have your marriage

This is not playing a game lol. It's me sometimes not feeling like I'm 100% into it and my DH working to get me there. That isn't a game, it's the reality of being in a long term relationship! I'll ask again, have you ever been in a longish term happy consensual sexual relationship

[Anonymous]

You're addressing the wrong person. This thread has gone so off the rails. I am against game playing. Don't find it cute. Don't think it empowers women. Think it sends a wrong message to our daughters - who need to own their sexuality and not be afraid to celebrate it. And I have been happily married for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're addressing the wrong person. This thread has gone so off the rails. I am against game playing. Don't find it cute. Don't think it empowers women. Think it sends a wrong message to our daughters - who need to own their sexuality and not be afraid to celebrate it. And I have been happily married for decades.

You really think what I described is game playing? And not years of my husband knowing me and knowing when I'm really not feeling it and when I can be cajoled? I have a daughter and think watching parents who occasionally actively pursue each other, who both work to keep the romance alive and who lovingly and playfully flirt with each other is a fine lesson.

This song, as another reminder, was written by a married couple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re: the song: Back then "good" girls didn't say "yes", they were "wooed" until they finally gave-in. The man conquered. Women weren't allowed to want it. Very harmful for women's sexuality (even if the final result is desire/passion, void of force/dominance)

So... that's exactly why no modern person wants to listen to that weird trash. Ick.

There are plenty of modern, sexually confident women who want to be wooed.

Honestly, this thread isn't convincing me that today's women are any more sexually enlightened than they were in the 40s. Quite the opposite in fact. Some posters on this thread sound like they are 12 years old.

And I doubt any of the young women posting on here could give a rat's bum what you think, if were being honest. How old are you?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Because only yes means yes and she never says yes in the song. Trying to change someone's mind repeatedly without regard to them not saying yes is an act of violence.

She never says "no" either. Are today's "women" really this stupid and helpless?

I'm pretty sure that "The answer is no" covers that. But hey, that's just me knowing the lyrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh stop. In a real rape situation, for instance, a man would use the threat of violence (through intimidation of some sort). Pleading with someone not to leave is not the same as violence or intimidation. In this song if the woman wasn't kidding around she could clearly walk out the door.
I'd love to hear how a rape can happen without violence or threatening. If the woman feels threatened, there's obviously some threat. I do agree the threat does not have to be "guy holding knife to throat", in my case my rapist stood at his dorm room door making it quite clear I wasn't leaving, and when I said "no", he intimidated me with very powerful obvious threatening. Not "oh but it's so cold outside". Gimme a break.

if a woman decides after the fact that she felt threatened, I have a real issue with categorizing that as rape.

And As i said, I've not only experienced this but also have 3 daughters. Perhaps we think differently but it does not make me an "idiot" or immature.
Learn how to have a debate maybe and consider other viewpoints. That's maturity.

We get it. Any rape that isn't as rapey as yours isn't rape at all. Sorry for the guy for doing with with a bitch, and sorry for your daughters for being stuck with you as a role model.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh stop. In a real rape situation, for instance, a man would use the threat of violence (through intimidation of some sort). Pleading with someone not to leave is not the same as violence or intimidation. In this song if the woman wasn't kidding around she could clearly walk out the door.
I'd love to hear how a rape can happen without violence or threatening. If the woman feels threatened, there's obviously some threat. I do agree the threat does not have to be "guy holding knife to throat", in my case my rapist stood at his dorm room door making it quite clear I wasn't leaving, and when I said "no", he intimidated me with very powerful obvious threatening. Not "oh but it's so cold outside". Gimme a break.

if a woman decides after the fact that she felt threatened, I have a real issue with categorizing that as rape.

And As i said, I've not only experienced this but also have 3 daughters. Perhaps we think differently but it does not make me an "idiot" or immature.
Learn how to have a debate maybe and consider other viewpoints. That's maturity.

We get it. Any rape that isn't as rapey as yours isn't rape at all. Sorry for the guy for doing with with a bitch, and sorry for your daughters for being stuck with you as a role model.

Jesus you are out of control pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh stop. In a real rape situation, for instance, a man would use the threat of violence (through intimidation of some sort). Pleading with someone not to leave is not the same as violence or intimidation. In this song if the woman wasn't kidding around she could clearly walk out the door.
I'd love to hear how a rape can happen without violence or threatening. If the woman feels threatened, there's obviously some threat. I do agree the threat does not have to be "guy holding knife to throat", in my case my rapist stood at his dorm room door making it quite clear I wasn't leaving, and when I said "no", he intimidated me with very powerful obvious threatening. Not "oh but it's so cold outside". Gimme a break.

if a woman decides after the fact that she felt threatened, I have a real issue with categorizing that as rape.

And As i said, I've not only experienced this but also have 3 daughters. Perhaps we think differently but it does not make me an "idiot" or immature.
Learn how to have a debate maybe and consider other viewpoints. That's maturity.

We get it. Any rape that isn't as rapey as yours isn't rape at all. Sorry for the guy for doing with with a bitch, and sorry for your daughters for being stuck with you as a role model.

Jesus, what is wrong with you.

[Anonymous]

The same reason Puff, the magic Dragon was supposed to be about drugs. I agree with you OP.