Hijab/headscarf for Muslims

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I sorry to say this, but all this silliness about hijabis at GW makes you look silly, and vulnerable to the very same anecdotes you object to you when they're used against veiled women. I'm also sorry to say, it makes you look dishonest because some of us have seen GW with our own eyes.

As you've seen in this thread, there are plenty of DCUMers who want to wish you well. However, you need to engage with us maturely and honestly.

This is OP. I wasn't the one with the post about GW hijabis. and yes, I have been to GW and I have seen medical students and residents wearing Hijab...so it's not made up.

PP, you don't seem to happy with anything that goes against your ideologies or beliefs. We don't have to agree on anything. But I do expect respect among posters. Instead, all I see is name calling..labeling...and prejudice. This is why I didn't even want to continue with my discussion. I am not here to prove anything.
There was another poster who called me an "idiot" for not posting Quranic verses backing my choice of wearing the Hijab. Again, I am not interested because I am not here to convince anyone with WHY I AM WEARING THE HIJAB. From my end, the discussion is over.

To answer your question, I'm not threatened by hijab, although I dislike niqab.

The issues with the GW hijabis are:
1. It's maybe a handful--not halls and halls of them, and
2. This is exactly the sort of anecdote you're criticizing other posters (not me) for offering.

I don't like anecdotes either. Second, I dislike any poster who exaggerates for effect (hijabis everywhere at GW). Third, I dislike any poster who applies double standards to her own and others' posts (you can use anecdotes but nobody else can). Fourth, I dislike posters who call others (again not me) "lobotomized" when they don't like the posts but come down like a ton of bricks when they themselves feel insulted. Fifth, I also dislike posters who ask for opinions but refuse to let anybody discuss crucial issues, such as whether hijab is mentioned in the Quran.

So basically OP, I think you shot yourself in the foot with your immaturity.

OP here once again. Please quote me when I criticized anybody that had said anything that I disliked? One thing I made clear is I am not here to be disrespected and called names..and I have see few people doing it... FYI, I barely responded to comments. Every time I comment I start my sentence with "OP here"! Let's be clear dear. The intent of this thread was not to debate whether Hijab is mentioned in the Quran or not, thus I have the right not to answer such questions. But to be called "stupid" for not wanting to respond is disrespectful. I am not here to get a pat on the back. Just Like I am not here to be called names. So either you respond with respect or keep your comments to yourself.

Is it hard to behave yourselves?

You said you were "disgusted" upthread.

Also you can't ask for opinions and then take the thing that will inform many peoples' opinions--Quranc mention of the hijab, or rather lack thereof--off the table.

[Anonymous]

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Ok, continue with the name calling.

Just know not everyone here buys into your theory that the niqab is some sort of dress for the upper class society women to prove they didn't have to work (that would be a new one for the SAHM/WOHM wars on here! LOL) and that hijab is written in the Koran. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes or your eye slits, then so be it.

To the OP- did you get what you wanted out of this thread?

I've theorized that you're stupid. Now I know that for a fact - seeing as I've told you I'm not Muslim and yet you keep prattling about my eye slits.

Third poster here.
1. The veil was a class symbol in Mohammed's day. This is a historical fact related to the difficulty of doing manual labor while holding cloth over your face, and DCUM's august historians may be the only ones disputing it. Not any more, though. In fact in countries where hijab isn't mandatory, the reverse is often true--poorer women are often more conservative about things like hijab than wealthy women.
2. Hijab is not written in the Quran. There's something about drawing your cloth over attractive parts (your translations may vary and I don't have time to google the passage). But nothing specific about covering your hair. Certainly nothing about hair being a sexual weapon that needs to be covered, as you so often read on DCUM.

OP and her friends seem to be calling other posters lobotomized, stupid and more. Me thinks OP "got what she wanted out of this thread", which was a cat fight, even if she had to stir the pot with her lobotomy quips. I suppose the cat fight provided reasons to feel victimized and a corresponding boost to identity. Perhaps OP should explain her goals.

You're conflating several posters. I was the PP who was the first to explain that face covering was a class symbol, not a political statement, and also the poster who mocked the idiot claiming the niqab came about as an anti-kidnapping measure. The lobotomy comment was also mine. The "stupid" comment was also mine when one the posters kept assuming I'm Muslim and referring to the "slits of my eyes" - even after I told her I'm neither Muslim nor covered. It's fun to call out the stupid.

And I don't know the OP or what she wanted to achieve by this.

Well you've managed to dump all over this thread, derail it, make readers think OP is the jerk when it was you all along, and generally offend lots of people, all in the name of your personal "fun." You seem like a real winner. Congrats.

And PS, you're still wrong about hijab as a political vs. class statement. It's the difference that 1300 years make. In Mohammed's day, hijab wasn't a political statement because many upper class women across all religions wore a veil, but instead it was a class statement related to a woman's need to work. But today, 1300 years on, it can serve a variety of different purposes, including religious or political. Have you not read anything written by modern Muslims?

The conversation was not about 1,300 years later, it was about the roots of the niqab. You are essentially repeating what I said upthread, so why manufacture disagreement just because you dislike the source?

Or for Pete's sake, is your mind not flexible enough to handle two different time periods? And the roots 1300 years ago are a lot less important than, you know, today. OP wants to know our opinion about what happens if she dons a veil *today*.

[Anonymous]

17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

Your dilemma is that people refuse to say what you want them to say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I started wearing the hijab few years ago, and I was happy and very much satisfied with my decision. I never felt the scarf would hinder anything in my life or make me a subject to discrimination...but lately with all what's going on in the world with ISIS and the heated media against Muslims makes me angry because my religion got hijacked. I have to admit that I'm becoming way more sensitive to my surrounding now...there are times I get dirty looks here and there or sometimes people assume that I'm dumb or less educated...it bothers me.

Those of you wearing the scarf, what are your thoughts? Have you had any bad experience lately?

Those of you who are non Muslims, what are your thoughts when you see a woman wearing the scarf? Are you scared of Muslims?

I think nothing of women in headscarves. They get a smile from me just like any other person would.

What breaks my heart though are the poor women who are forced into or terrified into by some outdated, archaic, dark ages, anri woman world veiw to wealre those horrible, head totoe to finger, heavy, black burkas with their face covered, ESPECIALLY when it is a raging hot day like today and ESPECIALLY when the man they are shuffling behind is wearing weather appropriate clothing.

This is America for goodness sakes, where we fight over glass ceilings and the right for women to be Navy Seals, and where our daughters are more likely to earn a college degree than our sons, and yet we have women in our country who are forced to cover themselves entirely with yards of heavy black fabric, faces included, because the men in their world have decided that it is a gave sin for them to ever feel the sun on their skin or a cool breeze on their faces.

Those are an atrocity and a violation of human rights, especially in a country like the US where we fight so hard for women's rights.

This just kills me -- he is wearing shorts, a tee shirt and flipflops, while she is bundled up like a sofa on a moving truck.

That description just made me laugh hysterically!

[Anonymous]

I'm reading a book on the evolution of God, and I must say that we have NOT come a long way, baby!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

Your dilemma is that people refuse to say what you want them to say.

You missed my point entirely. Why should I care what anybody else says?! I don't care.

My dilemma is that I feel censored because OP is trying to censor any discussion about how hijab appears nowhere in the Quran, meanhile the other PP only wants to talk about 600 AD. It's nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

Your dilemma is that people refuse to say what you want them to say.

You missed my point entirely. Why should I care what anybody else says?! I don't care.

My dilemma is that I feel censored because OP is trying to censor any discussion about how hijab appears nowhere in the Quran, meanhile the other PP only wants to talk about 600 AD. It's nuts.

Your feelings are your own. OP isn't trying to censor you, she just isn't interested in this part of the issue. I mean, who will stop you if you really want to talk about it? There's a ton of people out there you can engage with.

I'm the PP who you so badly want to talk about a period of time other than 600 AD, and I'm just not interested. I saw a moron claiming niqabs came about to protect from kidnapping, and I set her straight on how they came about when they came about. I am simply uninterested in other parts of this discussion, but when I see a moron, I'm happy to correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I started wearing the hijab few years ago, and I was happy and very much satisfied with my decision. I never felt the scarf would hinder anything in my life or make me a subject to discrimination...but lately with all what's going on in the world with ISIS and the heated media against Muslims makes me angry because my religion got hijacked. I have to admit that I'm becoming way more sensitive to my surrounding now...there are times I get dirty looks here and there or sometimes people assume that I'm dumb or less educated...it bothers me.

Those of you wearing the scarf, what are your thoughts? Have you had any bad experience lately?

Those of you who are non Muslims, what are your thoughts when you see a woman wearing the scarf? Are you scared of Muslims?

I think nothing of women in headscarves. They get a smile from me just like any other person would.

What breaks my heart though are the poor women who are forced into or terrified into by some outdated, archaic, dark ages, anri woman world veiw to wealre those horrible, head totoe to finger, heavy, black burkas with their face covered, ESPECIALLY when it is a raging hot day like today and ESPECIALLY when the man they are shuffling behind is wearing weather appropriate clothing.

This is America for goodness sakes, where we fight over glass ceilings and the right for women to be Navy Seals, and where our daughters are more likely to earn a college degree than our sons, and yet we have women in our country who are forced to cover themselves entirely with yards of heavy black fabric, faces included, because the men in their world have decided that it is a gave sin for them to ever feel the sun on their skin or a cool breeze on their faces.

Those are an atrocity and a violation of human rights, especially in a country like the US where we fight so hard for women's rights.

This just kills me -- he is wearing shorts, a tee shirt and flipflops, while she is bundled up like a sofa on a moving truck.

That description just made me laugh hysterically!

That's very nice language and reaction, you are certainly all about sisterhood of women - when they are dressed the way you see fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

Your dilemma is that people refuse to say what you want them to say.

You missed my point entirely. Why should I care what anybody else says?! I don't care.

My dilemma is that I feel censored because OP is trying to censor any discussion about how hijab appears nowhere in the Quran, meanhile the other PP only wants to talk about 600 AD. It's nuts.

Your feelings are your own. OP isn't trying to censor you, she just isn't interested in this part of the issue. I mean, who will stop you if you really want to talk about it? There's a ton of people out there you can engage with.

I'm the PP who you so badly want to talk about a period of time other than 600 AD, and I'm just not interested. I saw a moron claiming niqabs came about to protect from kidnapping, and I set her straight on how they came about when they came about. I am simply uninterested in other parts of this discussion, but when I see a moron, I'm happy to correct.

OP brought up the topic of hijab and her religion in her post starting this thread. So to then say she doesn't want discuss how the two are related is ridiculous and illogical.

And no you didn't set anything straight. Just keep blabbing your viewpoint and name call anyone that disagrees. You clearly cannot discriminate between a veil used for cultural purposes and a niqab used for political purposes. They don't even look the same.

I know, I know, I'm so stupid. Oh wait it's moron now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:17:45 again. So when I try to respond to OP's request for opinions about the veil, I want to say something like this: I think in some cases hijab is worn as a political statement, given that it's not mentioned in the Quran.

But do you see my dilemma?
(1) OP is trying to ban any talk of Quranic foundations for hijab, and
(2) Other PP only wants to talk about the veil and class status 1300 years ago, and refuses to contemplate newer meanings today, which is when OP is actually wearing her hijab.

Yeesh, you people!

Your dilemma is that people refuse to say what you want them to say.

You missed my point entirely. Why should I care what anybody else says?! I don't care.

My dilemma is that I feel censored because OP is trying to censor any discussion about how hijab appears nowhere in the Quran, meanhile the other PP only wants to talk about 600 AD. It's nuts.

Your feelings are your own. OP isn't trying to censor you, she just isn't interested in this part of the issue. I mean, who will stop you if you really want to talk about it? There's a ton of people out there you can engage with.

I'm the PP who you so badly want to talk about a period of time other than 600 AD, and I'm just not interested. I saw a moron claiming niqabs came about to protect from kidnapping, and I set her straight on how they came about when they came about. I am simply uninterested in other parts of this discussion, but when I see a moron, I'm happy to correct.

OP brought up the topic of hijab and her religion in her post starting this thread. So to then say she doesn't want discuss how the two are related is ridiculous and illogical.

And no you didn't set anything straight. Just keep blabbing your viewpoint and name call anyone that disagrees. You clearly cannot discriminate between a veil used for cultural purposes and a niqab used for political purposes. They don't even look the same.

I know, I know, I'm so stupid. Oh wait it's moron now.

I'm censored PP at 21:25 but not PP directly above. It's good to know that someone else thinks this thread is a circus fun house packed with spoiled children! We have one PP who is a bully, insulting anybody she disagrees with because she thinks it's "fun", and who is by her own admission totally uninterested in contributing substance to the discussion. Then there's substance-averse OP, who posed a serious question but won't engage on a key part, i.e. the lack of Quranic support for hijab.

No matter, just go on being your own bad selves. The rest of us can just give up on substance. This thread is a hoot just for the obtuseness of participants like bully PP and OP.

[Anonymous]

Miss censored PP, OP is here telling you she wil not entertain a debate with you about her religious views or dissect Quranic verses so you could be satisfied. I started the thread and I asked a very simple and direct question. OP doesn't wish to deviate from the topic. in fact, OP is not here begging for your kind acceptance of Hijab. I proudly wear it, and I'm not asking for your permission or help to save me from my beliefs. So please, PP don't insult my intelligence, and move on with your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Miss censored PP, OP is here telling you she wil not entertain a debate with you about her religious views or dissect Quranic verses so you could be satisfied. I started the thread and I asked a very simple and direct question. OP doesn't wish to deviate from the topic. in fact, OP is not here begging for your kind acceptance of Hijab. I proudly wear it, and I'm not asking for your permission or help to save me from my beliefs. So please, PP don't insult my intelligence, and move on with your life.

Dear OP, you're the only one insulting your intelligence. Many people of faith believe that their faith shouldn't be accepted or followed blindly, but rather should be constantly examined. Examination leads to sincere faith. For whatever reason, you maintain this is too difficult for you.

What's above is my opinion, take it or leave it. You did explicitly ask for our opinions in your very first post. Now you say you don't want our opinions--so why did you start a thread at all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Miss censored PP, OP is here telling you she wil not entertain a debate with you about her religious views or dissect Quranic verses so you could be satisfied. I started the thread and I asked a very simple and direct question. OP doesn't wish to deviate from the topic. in fact, OP is not here begging for your kind acceptance of Hijab. I proudly wear it, and I'm not asking for your permission or help to save me from my beliefs. So please, PP don't insult my intelligence, and move on with your life.

Dear OP, you're the only one insulting your intelligence. Many people of faith believe that their faith shouldn't be accepted or followed blindly, but rather should be constantly examined. Examination leads to sincere faith. For whatever reason, you maintain this is too difficult for you.

What's above is my opinion, take it or leave it. You did explicitly ask for our opinions in your very first post. Now you say you don't want our opinions--so why did you start a thread at all?

No, she maintains that she is uninterested in taking up this examination WITH YOU HERE. For all you know, she's done with her examinations and comfortable with results. Who are you to pass judgment on how she believes? Is this any of your business?

She asked what you think when you see a woman in a headscarf. That was it.

[Anonymous]

That's what I think. She asked, I told her. This is ridiculous. Apparently she only wants to read what certain people think, and doesn't want to read anybody's thoughts that might be challenging.

What a stupid thread.