Hijab/headscarf for Muslims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sorry to say this, but all this silliness about hijabis at GW makes you look silly, and vulnerable to the very same anecdotes you object to you when they're used against veiled women. I'm also sorry to say, it makes you look dishonest because some of us have seen GW with our own eyes.

As you've seen in this thread, there are plenty of DCUMers who want to wish you well. However, you need to engage with us maturely and honestly.

This is OP. I wasn't the one with the post about GW hijabis. and yes, I have been to GW and I have seen medical students and residents wearing Hijab...so it's not made up.

PP, you don't seem to happy with anything that goes against your ideologies or beliefs. We don't have to agree on anything. But I do expect respect among posters. Instead, all I see is name calling..labeling...and prejudice. This is why I didn't even want to continue with my discussion. I am not here to prove anything.
There was another poster who called me an "idiot" for not posting Quranic verses backing my choice of wearing the Hijab. Again, I am not interested because I am not here to convince anyone with WHY I AM WEARING THE HIJAB. From my end, the discussion is over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was the first person to respond to OP and my post was deleted.

My post said that I felt she was being dishonest if she thought no one would think differently once she started wearing hijab and that her intentions in starting this thread were questionable.

Pretty clear now huh?

I guess this post will get deleted too.

OP here again. I do remember your post. Your intention is questionable too!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was the first person to respond to OP and my post was deleted.

My post said that I felt she was being dishonest if she thought no one would think differently once she started wearing hijab and that her intentions in starting this thread were questionable.

Pretty clear now huh?

I guess this post will get deleted too.

OP here again. I do remember your post. Your intention is questionable too!

I did not start this dubious thread, yet I'm accused of have questionable intentions. Good grief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was the first person to respond to OP and my post was deleted.

My post said that I felt she was being dishonest if she thought no one would think differently once she started wearing hijab and that her intentions in starting this thread were questionable.

Pretty clear now huh?

I guess this post will get deleted too.

OP here again. I do remember your post. Your intention is questionable too!

I did not start this dubious thread, yet I'm accused of have questionable intentions. Good grief.

OP here, I am the ONE who started the thread..but it seems you have a problem with it. if you didn't like what you read you could have saved yourself time by a simple click. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was the first person to respond to OP and my post was deleted.

My post said that I felt she was being dishonest if she thought no one would think differently once she started wearing hijab and that her intentions in starting this thread were questionable.

Pretty clear now huh?

I guess this post will get deleted too.

OP here again. I do remember your post. Your intention is questionable too!

I did not start this dubious thread, yet I'm accused of have questionable intentions. Good grief.

OP here, I am the ONE who started the thread..but it seems you have a problem with it. if you didn't like what you read you could have saved yourself time by a simple click. End of story.

So anytime one disagrees with an OP or questions the intent of the poster, that person should not post on that thread. Thanks for that tidbit, I'm sure DCUM would flourish with those rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are non Muslims, what are your thoughts when you see a woman wearing the scarf? Are you scared of Muslims?

My thoughts are we live in a world of many cultures.
No, not scared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was the first person to respond to OP and my post was deleted.

My post said that I felt she was being dishonest if she thought no one would think differently once she started wearing hijab and that her intentions in starting this thread were questionable.

Pretty clear now huh?

I guess this post will get deleted too.

OP here again. I do remember your post. Your intention is questionable too!

I did not start this dubious thread, yet I'm accused of have questionable intentions. Good grief.

OP here, I am the ONE who started the thread..but it seems you have a problem with it. if you didn't like what you read you could have saved yourself time by a simple click. End of story.

So anytime one disagrees with an OP or questions the intent of the poster, that person should not post on that thread. Thanks for that tidbit, I'm sure DCUM would flourish with those rules.

OP here, I have given you the benefit of doubt the first time I read your response. But you continued to call on my dishonesty, and asked if I were satisfied with the way discussion ended up in this thread as if my intention was to stir quarrels... As a matter of fact I was away for few days, and didn't get a chance to follow the thread daily...and here you are still singing your song about my intentions and dishonesty. So forgive me if I dislike your responses! Have a nice Monday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are non Muslims, what are your thoughts when you see a woman wearing the scarf? Are you scared of Muslims?

My thoughts are we live in a world of many cultures.
No, not scared.

Thank you. An answer straight to the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those of you who are non Muslims, what are your thoughts when you see a woman wearing the scarf? Are you scared of Muslims?

My thoughts are we live in a world of many cultures.
No, not scared.

Thank you. An answer straight to the point.

And the answer you've been looking for all along. Congrats OP! Now you don't have to ask any more questions about hijab. Bye now!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, continue with the name calling.

Just know not everyone here buys into your theory that the niqab is some sort of dress for the upper class society women to prove they didn't have to work (that would be a new one for the SAHM/WOHM wars on here! LOL) and that hijab is written in the Koran. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes or your eye slits, then so be it.

To the OP- did you get what you wanted out of this thread?

I've theorized that you're stupid. Now I know that for a fact - seeing as I've told you I'm not Muslim and yet you keep prattling about my eye slits.

Third poster here.
1. The veil was a class symbol in Mohammed's day. This is a historical fact related to the difficulty of doing manual labor while holding cloth over your face, and DCUM's august historians may be the only ones disputing it. Not any more, though. In fact in countries where hijab isn't mandatory, the reverse is often true--poorer women are often more conservative about things like hijab than wealthy women.
2. Hijab is not written in the Quran. There's something about drawing your cloth over attractive parts (your translations may vary and I don't have time to google the passage). But nothing specific about covering your hair. Certainly nothing about hair being a sexual weapon that needs to be covered, as you so often read on DCUM.

OP and her friends seem to be calling other posters lobotomized, stupid and more. Me thinks OP "got what she wanted out of this thread", which was a cat fight, even if she had to stir the pot with her lobotomy quips. I suppose the cat fight provided reasons to feel victimized and a corresponding boost to identity. Perhaps OP should explain her goals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sorry to say this, but all this silliness about hijabis at GW makes you look silly, and vulnerable to the very same anecdotes you object to you when they're used against veiled women. I'm also sorry to say, it makes you look dishonest because some of us have seen GW with our own eyes.

As you've seen in this thread, there are plenty of DCUMers who want to wish you well. However, you need to engage with us maturely and honestly.

This is OP. I wasn't the one with the post about GW hijabis. and yes, I have been to GW and I have seen medical students and residents wearing Hijab...so it's not made up.

PP, you don't seem to happy with anything that goes against your ideologies or beliefs. We don't have to agree on anything. But I do expect respect among posters. Instead, all I see is name calling..labeling...and prejudice. This is why I didn't even want to continue with my discussion. I am not here to prove anything.
There was another poster who called me an "idiot" for not posting Quranic verses backing my choice of wearing the Hijab. Again, I am not interested because I am not here to convince anyone with WHY I AM WEARING THE HIJAB. From my end, the discussion is over.

To answer your question, I'm not threatened by hijab, although I dislike niqab.

The issues with the GW hijabis are:
1. It's maybe a handful--not halls and halls of them, and
2. This is exactly the sort of anecdote you're criticizing other posters (not me) for offering.

I don't like anecdotes either. Second, I dislike any poster who exaggerates for effect (hijabis everywhere at GW). Third, I dislike any poster who applies double standards to her own and others' posts (you can use anecdotes but nobody else can). Fourth, I dislike posters who call others (again not me) "lobotomized" when they don't like the posts but come down like a ton of bricks when they themselves feel insulted. Fifth, I also dislike posters who ask for opinions but refuse to let anybody discuss crucial issues, such as whether hijab is mentioned in the Quran.

So basically OP, I think you shot yourself in the foot with your immaturity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, continue with the name calling.

Just know not everyone here buys into your theory that the niqab is some sort of dress for the upper class society women to prove they didn't have to work (that would be a new one for the SAHM/WOHM wars on here! LOL) and that hijab is written in the Koran. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes or your eye slits, then so be it.

To the OP- did you get what you wanted out of this thread?

I've theorized that you're stupid. Now I know that for a fact - seeing as I've told you I'm not Muslim and yet you keep prattling about my eye slits.

Third poster here.
1. The veil was a class symbol in Mohammed's day. This is a historical fact related to the difficulty of doing manual labor while holding cloth over your face, and DCUM's august historians may be the only ones disputing it. Not any more, though. In fact in countries where hijab isn't mandatory, the reverse is often true--poorer women are often more conservative about things like hijab than wealthy women.
2. Hijab is not written in the Quran. There's something about drawing your cloth over attractive parts (your translations may vary and I don't have time to google the passage). But nothing specific about covering your hair. Certainly nothing about hair being a sexual weapon that needs to be covered, as you so often read on DCUM.

OP and her friends seem to be calling other posters lobotomized, stupid and more. Me thinks OP "got what she wanted out of this thread", which was a cat fight, even if she had to stir the pot with her lobotomy quips. I suppose the cat fight provided reasons to feel victimized and a corresponding boost to identity. Perhaps OP should explain her goals.

You're conflating several posters. I was the PP who was the first to explain that face covering was a class symbol, not a political statement, and also the poster who mocked the idiot claiming the niqab came about as an anti-kidnapping measure. The lobotomy comment was also mine. The "stupid" comment was also mine when one the posters kept assuming I'm Muslim and referring to the "slits of my eyes" - even after I told her I'm neither Muslim nor covered. It's fun to call out the stupid.

And I don't know the OP or what she wanted to achieve by this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, continue with the name calling.

Just know not everyone here buys into your theory that the niqab is some sort of dress for the upper class society women to prove they didn't have to work (that would be a new one for the SAHM/WOHM wars on here! LOL) and that hijab is written in the Koran. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes or your eye slits, then so be it.

To the OP- did you get what you wanted out of this thread?

I've theorized that you're stupid. Now I know that for a fact - seeing as I've told you I'm not Muslim and yet you keep prattling about my eye slits.

Third poster here.
1. The veil was a class symbol in Mohammed's day. This is a historical fact related to the difficulty of doing manual labor while holding cloth over your face, and DCUM's august historians may be the only ones disputing it. Not any more, though. In fact in countries where hijab isn't mandatory, the reverse is often true--poorer women are often more conservative about things like hijab than wealthy women.
2. Hijab is not written in the Quran. There's something about drawing your cloth over attractive parts (your translations may vary and I don't have time to google the passage). But nothing specific about covering your hair. Certainly nothing about hair being a sexual weapon that needs to be covered, as you so often read on DCUM.

OP and her friends seem to be calling other posters lobotomized, stupid and more. Me thinks OP "got what she wanted out of this thread", which was a cat fight, even if she had to stir the pot with her lobotomy quips. I suppose the cat fight provided reasons to feel victimized and a corresponding boost to identity. Perhaps OP should explain her goals.

You're conflating several posters. I was the PP who was the first to explain that face covering was a class symbol, not a political statement, and also the poster who mocked the idiot claiming the niqab came about as an anti-kidnapping measure. The lobotomy comment was also mine. The "stupid" comment was also mine when one the posters kept assuming I'm Muslim and referring to the "slits of my eyes" - even after I told her I'm neither Muslim nor covered. It's fun to call out the stupid.

And I don't know the OP or what she wanted to achieve by this.

Well you've managed to dump all over this thread, derail it, make readers think OP is the jerk when it was you all along, and generally offend lots of people, all in the name of your personal "fun." You seem like a real winner. Congrats.

And PS, you're still wrong about hijab as a political vs. class statement. It's the difference that 1300 years make. In Mohammed's day, hijab wasn't a political statement because many upper class women across all religions wore a veil, but instead it was a class statement related to a woman's need to work. But today, 1300 years on, it can serve a variety of different purposes, including religious or political. Have you not read anything written by modern Muslims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sorry to say this, but all this silliness about hijabis at GW makes you look silly, and vulnerable to the very same anecdotes you object to you when they're used against veiled women. I'm also sorry to say, it makes you look dishonest because some of us have seen GW with our own eyes.

As you've seen in this thread, there are plenty of DCUMers who want to wish you well. However, you need to engage with us maturely and honestly.

This is OP. I wasn't the one with the post about GW hijabis. and yes, I have been to GW and I have seen medical students and residents wearing Hijab...so it's not made up.

PP, you don't seem to happy with anything that goes against your ideologies or beliefs. We don't have to agree on anything. But I do expect respect among posters. Instead, all I see is name calling..labeling...and prejudice. This is why I didn't even want to continue with my discussion. I am not here to prove anything.
There was another poster who called me an "idiot" for not posting Quranic verses backing my choice of wearing the Hijab. Again, I am not interested because I am not here to convince anyone with WHY I AM WEARING THE HIJAB. From my end, the discussion is over.

To answer your question, I'm not threatened by hijab, although I dislike niqab.

The issues with the GW hijabis are:
1. It's maybe a handful--not halls and halls of them, and
2. This is exactly the sort of anecdote you're criticizing other posters (not me) for offering.

I don't like anecdotes either. Second, I dislike any poster who exaggerates for effect (hijabis everywhere at GW). Third, I dislike any poster who applies double standards to her own and others' posts (you can use anecdotes but nobody else can). Fourth, I dislike posters who call others (again not me) "lobotomized" when they don't like the posts but come down like a ton of bricks when they themselves feel insulted. Fifth, I also dislike posters who ask for opinions but refuse to let anybody discuss crucial issues, such as whether hijab is mentioned in the Quran.

So basically OP, I think you shot yourself in the foot with your immaturity.

OP here once again. Please quote me when I criticized anybody that had said anything that I disliked? One thing I made clear is I am not here to be disrespected and called names..and I have see few people doing it... FYI, I barely responded to comments. Every time I comment I start my sentence with "OP here"! Let's be clear dear. The intent of this thread was not to debate whether Hijab is mentioned in the Quran or not, thus I have the right not to answer such questions. But to be called "stupid" for not wanting to respond is disrespectful. I am not here to get a pat on the back. Just Like I am not here to be called names. So either you respond with respect or keep your comments to yourself.

Is it hard to behave yourselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, continue with the name calling.

Just know not everyone here buys into your theory that the niqab is some sort of dress for the upper class society women to prove they didn't have to work (that would be a new one for the SAHM/WOHM wars on here! LOL) and that hijab is written in the Koran. I guess that makes me stupid in your eyes or your eye slits, then so be it.

To the OP- did you get what you wanted out of this thread?

I've theorized that you're stupid. Now I know that for a fact - seeing as I've told you I'm not Muslim and yet you keep prattling about my eye slits.

Third poster here.
1. The veil was a class symbol in Mohammed's day. This is a historical fact related to the difficulty of doing manual labor while holding cloth over your face, and DCUM's august historians may be the only ones disputing it. Not any more, though. In fact in countries where hijab isn't mandatory, the reverse is often true--poorer women are often more conservative about things like hijab than wealthy women.
2. Hijab is not written in the Quran. There's something about drawing your cloth over attractive parts (your translations may vary and I don't have time to google the passage). But nothing specific about covering your hair. Certainly nothing about hair being a sexual weapon that needs to be covered, as you so often read on DCUM.

OP and her friends seem to be calling other posters lobotomized, stupid and more. Me thinks OP "got what she wanted out of this thread", which was a cat fight, even if she had to stir the pot with her lobotomy quips. I suppose the cat fight provided reasons to feel victimized and a corresponding boost to identity. Perhaps OP should explain her goals.

You're conflating several posters. I was the PP who was the first to explain that face covering was a class symbol, not a political statement, and also the poster who mocked the idiot claiming the niqab came about as an anti-kidnapping measure. The lobotomy comment was also mine. The "stupid" comment was also mine when one the posters kept assuming I'm Muslim and referring to the "slits of my eyes" - even after I told her I'm neither Muslim nor covered. It's fun to call out the stupid.

And I don't know the OP or what she wanted to achieve by this.

Well you've managed to dump all over this thread, derail it, make readers think OP is the jerk when it was you all along, and generally offend lots of people, all in the name of your personal "fun." You seem like a real winner. Congrats.

And PS, you're still wrong about hijab as a political vs. class statement. It's the difference that 1300 years make. In Mohammed's day, hijab wasn't a political statement because many upper class women across all religions wore a veil, but instead it was a class statement related to a woman's need to work. But today, 1300 years on, it can serve a variety of different purposes, including religious or political. Have you not read anything written by modern Muslims?

The conversation was not about 1,300 years later, it was about the roots of the niqab. You are essentially repeating what I said upthread, so why manufacture disagreement just because you dislike the source?