That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.

No, IT WAS A RAPE, you idiot

Do you think a woman ever bears any responsibility re staying sober, not trusting drunk strangers, not walking down a street at 2 a.m. alone, etc? We're not doing any favors to perpetuate the myth that women can be and do anything they want and go anywhere they want without being responsible for their own safety to the degree possible. That's beyond naive and truly not very smart.

Well lucky for you this woman got her comeuppance, huh? That'll teach her!!

You're misinterpreting what I said. Think what you want, but I believe women need to think smart for their own safety as much as is humanly possible. I think the same for men. No one deserves to be hurt, raped, killed, maimed, etc.; and no one can ever be completely safe.

If you're ever raped, I presume you'll blame yourself, then. Surely you would have done something that caused it to happen to you.

If you counsel young men and women in any capacity, I hope you'll instill the idea that we all need to be on the lookout for dangerous situations and not trust people who don't care what happens to us and may even cause harm. It's part of the basic teaching we share with middle and high school students re drug and alcohol safety. Doesn't mean we're assigning blame. It's about safety.

Stop talking

No the last post is 100% correct. Np here.

And yet you can also be incredibly mindful of your safety and still end up in the wrong place at the wrong time and get raped. No woman BEARS RESPONSIBILITY for being raped. Not one.

I don't think PP said she did.

Oh really? Because she specifically bolded the part where she did use the phrase BEARS RESPONSIBILITY

I was talking about this section. No idea if its the same PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single woman in this thread knows she has at some point drank too much and if she has a daughter, her daughter will undoubtedly one night or more in college drink too much because that's what happens. You misjudge your tolerance, you're having a good time, and suddenly you're hammered. There but for the grace of God did I never end up raped behind a dumpster when I had too much to drink at 21, and same goes for all of you. And if you have a daughter who at some point will go to parties or bars, you need to think very, very carefully about assigning blame to this girl because it could happen to your daughter just as easily and I highly doubt you would be so sanguine about her "role" in being victimized as you are right now

Actually, I did end up raped behind a dumpster. You know what happened my rapist? Nothing. Many years later I saw him again and asked him what had happened. He told me I had been super drunk, had told him yes, then threw up all over him and passed out on the street. He took that to mean it was still ok to have sex with me.

This could be any one of you. You apologists are so smug because you got lucky and never ran into the wrong person, not because you're made of Teflon.[/quote]

I'm not an apologist. I don't think this woman "asked for it". But I do think being safe about drinking is a good idea. And not I didn't "get lucky". I ran in to the wrong person (someone I knew in fact) after my friends abandoned me at a party because we were all so drunk. I blame him. But I certainly also wish I hadn't been so drunk in the first place. Honestly I also blame my friends who just left without me.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

NP not was not her fault that she was raped. But she was definitely a fool. Walking down 6th and O Street at 3am alone is not illegal, but it is definitely foolish. If you are knocked over the head and purse grabbed it's not your fault that there are criminals looking for foolish people to put themselves in harms way at the bewitching hour in a known criminal area.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

Are you intentionally misinterpreting, restating, and omitting portions of people's comments? Have you read the comments about no one can be completely safe? Have you listened to any grieving parent after the death of a high school or college-aged student where drinking and/or drugs were involved?

This did not have anything to do with alcohol! You are not to blame for being raped because you were drunk. You do not GET to rape because you're drunk. I'm ignoring anything that tries to equate RAPE with being a natural and unfortunate byproduct of drinking. The dude was a rapist because that's who he is not because he was drunk and, most importantly, not because SHE was drunk.

Alcohol and drugs often play a huge part in criminal behavior.

Sure, but if your son murders someone, you wouldn't counsel him to drink less in the future. You'd tell him to stop fucking murdering people.

I would do both!

Fine, that's reasonable. But I think what is pissing people off about folks focusing on alcohol is that it whitewashes the sexual assault problem. I'm going to talk to my sons both about not drinking and about consent. I'm not going to pretend the drinking talk covers the not raping talk. This particular rapist still appears to believe his mistake was drinking too much, which is precisely the problem. It has never made it into his head that the central problem is that he raped someone.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

NP not was not her fault that she was raped. But she was definitely a fool. Walking down 6th and O Street at 3am alone is not illegal, but it is definitely foolish. If you are knocked over the head and purse grabbed it's not your fault that there are criminals looking for foolish people to put themselves in harms way at the bewitching hour in a known criminal area.

She was raped at 10am on metro. I think you are talking about something else.

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Anonymous wrote:I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.

No, IT WAS A RAPE, you idiot

Do you think a woman ever bears any responsibility re staying sober, not trusting drunk strangers, not walking down a street at 2 a.m. alone, etc? We're not doing any favors to perpetuate the myth that women can be and do anything they want and go anywhere they want without being responsible for their own safety to the degree possible. That's beyond naive and truly not very smart.

Well lucky for you this woman got her comeuppance, huh? That'll teach her!!

You're misinterpreting what I said. Think what you want, but I believe women need to think smart for their own safety as much as is humanly possible. I think the same for men. No one deserves to be hurt, raped, killed, maimed, etc.; and no one can ever be completely safe.

If you're ever raped, I presume you'll blame yourself, then. Surely you would have done something that caused it to happen to you.

If you counsel young men and women in any capacity, I hope you'll instill the idea that we all need to be on the lookout for dangerous situations and not trust people who don't care what happens to us and may even cause harm. It's part of the basic teaching we share with middle and high school students re drug and alcohol safety. Doesn't mean we're assigning blame. It's about safety.

Stop talking

NP here. why stop talking? aren't you going to tell your children that bad things can happen to them if they get so drunk they blackout? Yes he raped her. Yes he was wrong. But I am certainly going to tell my daughter to be careful and safe.

And what are you going to tell your son?

To get written consent. A text message should suffice.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

Wtf is wrong with you? How dare you try to patronize PP rape victim to help her "understand" that you're not "blaming" the victim. Asshole.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

And by your rationale the woman who was raped on metro 6 weeks ago wasn't paying attention to her safety because she didn't switch cars so that's her fault.

NP not was not her fault that she was raped. But she was definitely a fool. Walking down 6th and O Street at 3am alone is not illegal, but it is definitely foolish. If you are knocked over the head and purse grabbed it's not your fault that there are criminals looking for foolish people to put themselves in harms way at the bewitching hour in a known criminal area.

Great, so if you are ever the victim of a violent crime, please come back and tell us the detail so we can giggle and judge about how you are so silly and foolish.

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The thing is, this already went to trial. It has already been determined, though evidence we don't know about, haven't seen or heard of, that this was RAPE. It wasn't "kind of" determined to be rape, but unanimously decided by 12 people. As she writes in her statement, 36 out of 36 possible votes that this scumbag is guilty.

You can speculate as to what happened that night, but we weren't there and we weren't in the jury. The jury determined this guy committed a felony. The injustice here is the sentence.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, this already went to trial. It has already been determined, though evidence we don't know about, haven't seen or heard of, that this was RAPE. It wasn't "kind of" determined to be rape, but unanimously decided by 12 people. As she writes in her statement, 36 out of 36 possible votes that this scumbag is guilty.

You can speculate as to what happened that night, but we weren't there and we weren't in the jury. The jury determined this guy committed a felony. The injustice here is the sentence.

No, he was charged with rapeand, which was dropped, convicted of assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated or unconscious person, sexual penetration of an intoxicated person and sexual penetration of an unconscious person.

The jury thought it was a hookup that went badly.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, this already went to trial. It has already been determined, though evidence we don't know about, haven't seen or heard of, that this was RAPE. It wasn't "kind of" determined to be rape, but unanimously decided by 12 people. As she writes in her statement, 36 out of 36 possible votes that this scumbag is guilty.

You can speculate as to what happened that night, but we weren't there and we weren't in the jury. The jury determined this guy committed a felony. The injustice here is the sentence.

No, he was charged with rapeand, which was dropped, convicted of assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated or unconscious person, sexual penetration of an intoxicated person and sexual penetration of an unconscious person.

The jury thought it was a hookup that went badly.

how do you know that? that's your spin

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, this already went to trial. It has already been determined, though evidence we don't know about, haven't seen or heard of, that this was RAPE. It wasn't "kind of" determined to be rape, but unanimously decided by 12 people. As she writes in her statement, 36 out of 36 possible votes that this scumbag is guilty.

You can speculate as to what happened that night, but we weren't there and we weren't in the jury. The jury determined this guy committed a felony. The injustice here is the sentence.

No, he was charged with rapeand, which was dropped, convicted of assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated or unconscious person, sexual penetration of an intoxicated person and sexual penetration of an unconscious person.

The jury thought it was a hookup that went badly.

how do you know that? that's your spin

or were you on the jury

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, this already went to trial. It has already been determined, though evidence we don't know about, haven't seen or heard of, that this was RAPE. It wasn't "kind of" determined to be rape, but unanimously decided by 12 people. As she writes in her statement, 36 out of 36 possible votes that this scumbag is guilty.

You can speculate as to what happened that night, but we weren't there and we weren't in the jury. The jury determined this guy committed a felony. The injustice here is the sentence.

No, he was charged with rapeand, which was dropped, convicted of assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated or unconscious person, sexual penetration of an intoxicated person and sexual penetration of an unconscious person.

The jury thought it was a hookup that went badly.

I thought the rape charge was dropped because it wasn't clear whether he had time to stick his dick in or just his fingers before the Swedes pulled him off of her. The jury rejected every aspect of his defense they were presented with.

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Anonymous wrote:I am literally nauseous reading the posts trying to excuse this rapist.

He is not being excused, but it's naive to trust everyone at a party to care about our personal safety. So, right or wrong, fair or not, we need to take steps to look out for ourselves. I remember reading a poster talking about her experience on the metro. When she found herself alone in a car, she switched to another one. That's being smart. Doesn't mean she's 100% safe. Doesn't mean an attacker doesn't deserve punishment.

This makes about as much sense as requiring women to wear burqas. By this logic, one should never leave the house, or even their bed, because of all the dangers out there.

I was raped at a college party. I had one drink, which turned out to be grain alcohol - something I'd never heard of at the time. Unfortunately, I did not black out; I simply couldn't move. The rapist removed one leg of my pants and one leg of the tights I was wearing underneath them. That took some very deliberate effort, yet you'd put the focus on MY actions.

I don't even have words to describe how this line of thinking disgusts me.

I'm truly sorry for your pain and what you went through. These comments aren't about blaming the victim. It's about trying to be as safe as possible. Are you disgusted when abused women are advised to go to a safety house and not tell anyone where they're living? It's what is viewed as taking safety precautions for them and their children. Is it fair? Is it right? Why should the wife and kids leave? It's about safety.

You're equating spousal abuse to attending a college party?

Because there would be no rapists at all if women just took better care of themselves. Maybe carry a card in our wallets reminding us that every man we meet is a potential violator, so take precaution.