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Why so much hate with EOTP vs WOTP parents
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Anonymous
My experience is that I lived EOTP for 10+ years within a mile or so of Shepherd Park, I spent a lot of time in Shepherd Park and the surrounding areas, and I have several friends who still live there. I'm not knocking Shepherd Park at all. It's a great neighborhood. I think it's inaccurate for PP to say the only differences between Shepherd Park and WOTP neighborhoods are the racial breakdown and a price break on houses, or that crime and schools are similar, so I corrected that. I am not sure why that caused you to come out swinging at me. To bring some concrete information to the discussion, I looked up some statistics for us. I focused on Shepherd Park and surrounding neighborhoods like Colonial Village vs the neighborhoods across the Park around Lafayette Elementary such as Barnaby Woods and Hawthorne. Because those two areas a directly across the Park from one another, they should give a pretty clear comparison. Crime Comparing Police Service Area Crimes for the Past Two Years Shepherd Park area (Service Area 401) 1,153 total crimes Lafayette area (Service Area 201) 522 total crimes http://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/map_24x24_citywide_2014.pdf Schools Reading & Math Proficiency (per DC CAS results 2014) Shepherd Park Elementary 73% / 76% Lafayette Elementary 88% / 91% http://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/2014%20DC%20CAS%20Presentation.pdf No one's discounting Shepherd Park. I'll let people make their own judgments on whether there is any difference. |
Anonymous
Just to be clear here posting testing scores in not an accurate reflection as Shepherd is approximately 1/3 size of Lafayette and the demographics are totally different. The schools could literally have the same # of children testing lower however Lafayette's would be masked by their student population however Shepherd's would be lower as you see here. Test scores are just one factor here. You really need to discuss IB programs, academic enrichments and other programs that add value to the curriculum. |
Anonymous
The areas of crime you are pulling (401) included Shepherd Park as well as Far East parts of Takoma (off Eastern Ave). Again, not apples to apples. What is your incentive to make Shepherd Park look bad? Do you think if SP is considered a good neighborhood it will reduce the value of your house? Really, I'm trying to understand your angle here. Schools stats you quoted underscores how strong Shepherd is being that the scores are about 15 points lower than Lafayette, however they have 1/3 of its population FARM and Lafayette is in single digits. How does one spending time in a sleepy, residential neighborhood (assuming visiting friends) qualify you to say "in my experience"? |
Anonymous
Now the excuses start... |
Anonymous
Who is swinging at you? You clearly said "schools" are lower in Shepherd Park, plural. So I'm assuming you didn't know that SP fed to Deal/Wilson. Why else you pluralize school? Living a mile away from SP for 10 years makes you an expert? Where did you live, Brightwood/Petworth/Takoma? |
Anonymous
Not the PP, but it's no excuses. Shepherd has 34% FARMS, Lafayette has 5%. I would assume there would be a larger gap on test scores that what's shown. They both have 8 on GS ratings, but I know many people don't give much weight to that - unless the ratings were lower. |
Anonymous
No excuses but lets compare Sidwell to Key and I am sure you will get the same argument. |
Anonymous
Right, it's just that so many people on this board seem to be completely unaware of anything that happened more than five years ago. You're exactly right on the charters, too (though, of course, Congress helped kick the whole thing off). |
Anonymous
| Please read this string of posts. The SP booster initially said that comparing SP and neighborhoods WotP isn't a stretch. Once someone compared SP to the closest WotP neighborhood, the SP booster sprang to its defense by saying the FARMS rate, size, etc at SP school can't be compared to Lafayette. In addition, she said that crime statistics aren't comparable because the stats don't tell the story she wants to be heard. You can't have it both ways. |
Anonymous
You made my point! No one here is trying to pretend that Key is as good as Sidwell (it only wins on cost). So please stop trying to pretend that SP is as good as/offers the same amenities as Lafayette's neighborhood. SP has higher crime and SPES isn't as good. Not everything is the same. |
Anonymous
I've got no angle whatsoever. Some PP (you?) posted something inaccurate, based on my experience living near Shepherd Park, so I commented. You decided to challenge me, so I posted some raw data supporting my opinion. You seem to want to fight about it, but I have no interest in fighting. Maybe you should explain what makes you such an expert on how WOTP and EOTP compare, and then post some data to support your views. Until then, I'm done. You can have the last word for now, so flame away. |
Anonymous
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You know I don't think sp parents are scary because some of them are black, right? I feel compelled to ask, because I have noticed that racial stuff here is so much more fraught than where we came from. (Which had the same demographic mix, roughly--although with more blended families.)
I think sp parents can be scary because a lot of them are just as hyper-competitive, obsessed with "stem," Kumon, and test prep as any affluent community: from Bethesda to Bellevue. |
Anonymous
You are referring to more than one poster. For various reasons, Shepherd has a high % of OOB and thus a higher % of FARMs. Shepherd has a majority AA kids (you know the ones that bring down scores right?!). Lafayette is a majority white and rich school, one would expect them to have scores in the high 90s and far ahead of Shepherd that is 90% black and 1/3 poor. But they don't. I am not the poster that said Shepherd is smaller. I do maintain that the schools are comparable. Unless you think white is right, it's hard to contend they aren't. Shepherd is IB and does a great job and educating ALL of its students. |
Anonymous
Yes you posted "raw" data. Crime stats from a neighborhood that is not Shepherd Park. Very raw. |
Anonymous
Your not getting SES is just as good as Lafayette. You have to look at it from the same perspective though. Anyone can quote numbers but there is a such thing at data bias because % are not always relative to the true picture. I am married to a actuary and this is the first thing that I am reminded of when looking at data. I know that WOTP folks love to put down Shepherd as they want to be seen as the elites but news flash a predominately AA school and community can be just as good. This is truly what this argument is about (us vs them). |