Christian bakeries v. the GLBT communtiy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting for the day a muslim bakery is forced to make a cake for LGBT couple.

That'll be the day!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think gay men can be pretty good bakers. Doesn't every town have some?

No. But your post seems to prove most have no shortage of assholes.

[Anonymous]

How in the hell can a bakery presume to call itself "Christian" anyhow? Do you only hire Christian bakers and help? Wouldn't that in itself be discriminatory? Do you only use Christian wheat? Do your ovens only use Christian gas from a Christian utility? The whole thing is idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Who determines protected classes? Well my Legal Beagle, I'll let you in on a secret. Once a year a committee convenes. Oprah chairs it, and the other voting members are the current head of OWS, Rosie O'Donnell, that New Black Panther with a billy club, the Indian from the Village People, an Angry Black Woman with an Obamaphone and Sandra Fluke. We were halfway through our 2015 selection process. About to establish a pathway to citizenship for Rescue Pitbulls. We were debating how to calculate the Social Security retirement age in dog years, when... Hold the Presses! Cait Jenner made her debut! Billy Jean King graciously tabled the Pitbull resolution in the interest of the Greater Good.

And that is why if you ever call Cait Jenner a "he", you legally have to pay her ten thousand dollars. Each time. Job well done, Team! Can't wait to see what wins in 2016. Oprah thinks the Pitbull Citizenship resolution will carry. But me? I think gender quotas for the NBA. It's Time!

Love it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Let's see... No where does it state they knew the abuse was happening. He wasn't a registered sex offender until after he was prosecuted. He couldn't be fired until he is convicted of the crime. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parents-worry-after-teachers-arrest-on-child-pornography-charge/2013/04/21/1c0b82a6-91bc-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate SuperPacs. My company decided to start one. I have to function as the Treasurer. I do my duty. If I were unable to do my duty, my other choice would be to find a new job.

Do your job or leave your job.

When you enter the world of commerce and government regulation - not allowed to discriminate against blacks for instance - you have to play by the rules.

If you can't provide your service legally because it violates your conscience, you need to stop providing the service.

Render onto Caesar what is Caesar's.

Exactly. I had the same reaction to pharmacists that didn't want to fill a prescription the morning after pill due to religious reasons. WTF? I feel like if you're not prepared to fulfill the duties of your job, then find a new one already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How in the hell can a bakery presume to call itself "Christian" anyhow? Do you only hire Christian bakers and help? Wouldn't that in itself be discriminatory? Do you only use Christian wheat? Do your ovens only use Christian gas from a Christian utility? The whole thing is idiotic.

Lol yeah I've never been to one either.

I think the refusal to serve gay couples is a really convenient, selective application of one's beliefs. There are so many other things the church preaches against- divorce and cheating for starters. How do you know if a couple is entering a second marriage or that their relationship didn't start as adulterous? So the gay couple gets refused because it's obvious, but the other infractions are ignored because you'd have to ask to know? Or do Christian bakers really grill all of their customers to be sure they're comfortable providing them service?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How in the hell can a bakery presume to call itself "Christian" anyhow? Do you only hire Christian bakers and help? Wouldn't that in itself be discriminatory? Do you only use Christian wheat? Do your ovens only use Christian gas from a Christian utility? The whole thing is idiotic.

Lol yeah I've never been to one either.

I think the refusal to serve gay couples is a really convenient, selective application of one's beliefs. There are so many other things the church preaches against- divorce and cheating for starters. How do you know if a couple is entering a second marriage or that their relationship didn't start as adulterous? So the gay couple gets refused because it's obvious, but the other infractions are ignored because you'd have to ask to know? Or do Christian bakers really grill all of their customers to be sure they're comfortable providing them service?

Very well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you recall the chocolate cake recipe in the film 'The Help'? Bakers forced against their religious principles to make a gay wedding cake might have the last laugh.

Gays practice something called "rimming" so they might think this fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Let's see... No where does it state they knew the abuse was happening. He wasn't a registered sex offender until after he was prosecuted. He couldn't be fired until he is convicted of the crime. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parents-worry-after-teachers-arrest-on-child-pornography-charge/2013/04/21/1c0b82a6-91bc-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Do you really think logic or facts will get you anywhere? In the end, you can't fix stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How in the hell can a bakery presume to call itself "Christian" anyhow? Do you only hire Christian bakers and help? Wouldn't that in itself be discriminatory? Do you only use Christian wheat? Do your ovens only use Christian gas from a Christian utility? The whole thing is idiotic.

Lol yeah I've never been to one either.

I think the refusal to serve gay couples is a really convenient, selective application of one's beliefs. There are so many other things the church preaches against- divorce and cheating for starters. How do you know if a couple is entering a second marriage or that their relationship didn't start as adulterous? So the gay couple gets refused because it's obvious, but the other infractions are ignored because you'd have to ask to know? Or do Christian bakers really grill all of their customers to be sure they're comfortable providing them service?

Very well said.

Should Christian bakers or photographers refuse to participate in the celebration of a wedding at which lobster or langoustine are being served? After all this is clearly an abomination of biblical proportion. What about a bride who has made the grievous mistake of mixing the wrong fabrics?

[Anonymous]

Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How in the hell can a bakery presume to call itself "Christian" anyhow? Do you only hire Christian bakers and help? Wouldn't that in itself be discriminatory? Do you only use Christian wheat? Do your ovens only use Christian gas from a Christian utility? The whole thing is idiotic.

Lol yeah I've never been to one either.

I think the refusal to serve gay couples is a really convenient, selective application of one's beliefs. There are so many other things the church preaches against- divorce and cheating for starters. How do you know if a couple is entering a second marriage or that their relationship didn't start as adulterous? So the gay couple gets refused because it's obvious, but the other infractions are ignored because you'd have to ask to know? Or do Christian bakers really grill all of their customers to be sure they're comfortable providing them service?

Very well said.

Should Christian bakers or photographers refuse to participate in the celebration of a wedding at which lobster or langoustine are being served? After all this is clearly an abomination of biblical proportion. What about a bride who has made the grievous mistake of mixing the wrong fabrics?

Not very well said and dated.

[Anonymous]

Guess what? The whole f*ing Bible is dated. So-called Christians dont get to pick and choose which Old Testament versus are to be interpreted as God's command.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

Demand away. I know it's hard for someone like yourself to maintain a coherent train of thought but I'm pretty sure that a bakery that makes wedding cakes for hetero couples but refuses to do so for a GLBT couple isn't the same thing as your brainfart. A kosher deli -- delicatessens, like bakeries, have no recognized faith -- presumably doesn't serve pork or bacon. The owner could not, however, refuse to serve a pastrami sandwich or knish to a gay man or a Muslim or even an intellectually-challenged person as yourself.