Christian bakeries v. the GLBT communtiy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess what? The whole f*ing Bible is dated. So-called Christians dont get to pick and choose which Old Testament versus are to be interpreted as God's command.

Sure they do just as you are making your choices of what to believe or not to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

Of course you can. Know why you won't receive one? Because they don't carry it. For anyone. Kiiiiinda different from having cakes and happily serving them to one class of people and refusing to serve them to another class of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

No, unless a pork sandwich is on the menu. If they do serve pork sandwiches, they would be required to sell you one.
Bakeries sell cakes. They can't pick and choose who they sell the cakes to. Now, if they only sell round cakes with white icing, I can't make them bake a square cake for me with purple frosting.

[Anonymous]

Have we gone too far requiring people that provide a service such as photographer from exercising a no shirt no shoes no service kind of thing based on their beliefs. Bakeries...while they don't participate in the event as a photog does...I still consider it a service but not as much. I mean, what is it hurting to turn away business when it isn't a restaurant or cleaners or work place or housing or any myriad of other things. I mean, if one feels Scientology is a borderline cult and it goes against your beliefs should a person be forced to photo/video some event of theirs? What's the difference?

See, while I have agreed with other posters here who point out the various things one could consider yet seemingly be able to get past...remarriage for instance...I can't see where this materially harms a person. What I can see though is that if you don't agree...doesn't matter how or why...we are going to force your ass to either agree or run you out of business. And as to a boycott or what have you that's their right and the risk a person takes for adhering to their beliefs. Again...not talking about material needs but rather a personal service.

If Donald Trump offered me a million dollars to work for him I would refuse based on my principles and values. Should he able to sue me? If HRC offered...I would refuse her too. I don't want to provide them with a service, it would violate my beliefs and would be tantamount to an endorsement of them and the money is inconsequential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

No, unless a pork sandwich is on the menu. If they do serve pork sandwiches, they would be required to sell you one.
Bakeries sell cakes. They can't pick and choose who they sell the cakes to. Now, if they only sell round cakes with white icing, I can't make them bake a square cake for me with purple frosting.

And if they only sell heterosexual marriage cakes and not cohabitation or same sex cakes....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you recall the chocolate cake recipe in the film 'The Help'? Bakers forced against their religious principles to make a gay wedding cake might have the last laugh.

Gays practice something called "rimming" so they might think this fine.

That's not a specifically gay thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Who determines protected classes? Well my Legal Beagle, I'll let you in on a secret. Once a year a committee convenes. Oprah chairs it, and the other voting members are the current head of OWS, Rosie O'Donnell, that New Black Panther with a billy club, the Indian from the Village People, an Angry Black Woman with an Obamaphone and Sandra Fluke. We were halfway through our 2015 selection process. About to establish a pathway to citizenship for Rescue Pitbulls. We were debating how to calculate the Social Security retirement age in dog years, when... Hold the Presses! Cait Jenner made her debut! Billy Jean King graciously tabled the Pitbull resolution in the interest of the Greater Good.

And that is why if you ever call Cait Jenner a "he", you legally have to pay her ten thousand dollars. Each time. Job well done, Team! Can't wait to see what wins in 2016. Oprah thinks the Pitbull Citizenship resolution will carry. But me? I think gender quotas for the NBA. It's Time!

In other words, I'm correct. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Let's see... No where does it state they knew the abuse was happening. He wasn't a registered sex offender until after he was prosecuted. He couldn't be fired until he is convicted of the crime. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parents-worry-after-teachers-arrest-on-child-pornography-charge/2013/04/21/1c0b82a6-91bc-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Do you really think logic or facts will get you anywhere? In the end, you can't fix stupid.

Hilarious. Multiple parents complained about this guy. He locked himself in classroom with little girls. Kids were telling their parents things. No investigation. "Shhhh, just don't touch anyone, ok?" was essentially what was said to him by the school system. You're right - you can't fix stupid. Much better to sacrifice children in the interest of political correctness.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile, in other news, the Texas county clerk who refused to do her job and issue a marriage certificate to a newly married gay couple ended up costing taxpayers nearly $44,000 trying to fight the law rather than uphold it, before the case was shut down. Such a disgrace. Such a shame. If she cannot do her job and uphold the laws of the land, she should step aside. And frankly, she should be held accountable and should be made to repay the $44,000 in taxpayer dollars.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/08/hood-county-clerks-refusal-to-issue-same-sex-marriage-license-cost-taxpayers-43000.html/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Who determines protected classes? Well my Legal Beagle, I'll let you in on a secret. Once a year a committee convenes. Oprah chairs it, and the other voting members are the current head of OWS, Rosie O'Donnell, that New Black Panther with a billy club, the Indian from the Village People, an Angry Black Woman with an Obamaphone and Sandra Fluke. We were halfway through our 2015 selection process. About to establish a pathway to citizenship for Rescue Pitbulls. We were debating how to calculate the Social Security retirement age in dog years, when... Hold the Presses! Cait Jenner made her debut! Billy Jean King graciously tabled the Pitbull resolution in the interest of the Greater Good.

And that is why if you ever call Cait Jenner a "he", you legally have to pay her ten thousand dollars. Each time. Job well done, Team! Can't wait to see what wins in 2016. Oprah thinks the Pitbull Citizenship resolution will carry. But me? I think gender quotas for the NBA. It's Time!

In other words, I'm correct. Thank you.

No, in other words you are a moron and I am teasing you. Protected classes are defined in law by Acts of the US Congress , the biggest of which is the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Let's see... No where does it state they knew the abuse was happening. He wasn't a registered sex offender until after he was prosecuted. He couldn't be fired until he is convicted of the crime. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parents-worry-after-teachers-arrest-on-child-pornography-charge/2013/04/21/1c0b82a6-91bc-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Do you really think logic or facts will get you anywhere? In the end, you can't fix stupid.

Hilarious. Multiple parents complained about this guy. He locked himself in classroom with little girls. Kids were telling their parents things. No investigation. "Shhhh, just don't touch anyone, ok?" was essentially what was said to him by the school system. You're right - you can't fix stupid. Much better to sacrifice children in the interest of political correctness.

What on earth is hilarious about it? It's a very sad story if you ask me. And completely irreverent to this thread. Start a new one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Let's see... No where does it state they knew the abuse was happening. He wasn't a registered sex offender until after he was prosecuted. He couldn't be fired until he is convicted of the crime. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/parents-worry-after-teachers-arrest-on-child-pornography-charge/2013/04/21/1c0b82a6-91bc-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Do you really think logic or facts will get you anywhere? In the end, you can't fix stupid.

Hilarious. Multiple parents complained about this guy. He locked himself in classroom with little girls. Kids were telling their parents things. No investigation. "Shhhh, just don't touch anyone, ok?" was essentially what was said to him by the school system. You're right - you can't fix stupid. Much better to sacrifice children in the interest of political correctness.

What on earth is hilarious about it? It's a very sad story if you ask me. And completely irreverent to this thread. Start a new one.

Hilarious that the PP is making excuses for the county about this, as if child abuse in the public schools has a grey area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

No, unless a pork sandwich is on the menu. If they do serve pork sandwiches, they would be required to sell you one.
Bakeries sell cakes. They can't pick and choose who they sell the cakes to. Now, if they only sell round cakes with white icing, I can't make them bake a square cake for me with purple frosting.

And if they only sell heterosexual marriage cakes and not cohabitation or same sex cakes....

Another difference to note here is that Orthodox Jews won't eat pork sandwiches, but unlike Christian conservatives, they aren't going around looking to make pork sandwiches illegal for everyone else to eat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can I go to a Jewish deli and demand a pork sandwich?

No, unless a pork sandwich is on the menu. If they do serve pork sandwiches, they would be required to sell you one.
Bakeries sell cakes. They can't pick and choose who they sell the cakes to. Now, if they only sell round cakes with white icing, I can't make them bake a square cake for me with purple frosting.

And if they only sell heterosexual marriage cakes and not cohabitation or same sex cakes....

Another difference to note here is that Orthodox Jews won't eat pork sandwiches, but unlike Christian conservatives, they aren't going around looking to make pork sandwiches illegal for everyone else to eat.

I think the appropriate analogy is that Jews do not refuse to sell me Matzoh or that Jewish wedding planners don't refuse to do a Christian wedding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are most certainly free to practice your Christian beliefs however you wish. You just can't refuse to provide a service or accommodation to a protected class. So, if you don't want to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, photograph a mixed race wedding or rent your vacation home to a disabled veteran then you need to go and find another profession.

I'm so glad you brought up the concept of protected classes. Who determines them? Certainly, illegal immigrants are a protected class - not only do they get benefits, they don't get deported after committing crimes. Federal laws be damned! Who has to follow those?And our veterans? Not so much - see the VA Hospital crisis.

Sex offenders are certainly a protected class. Even at the expense of children. How else does the Montgomery County Public School Systems defend keep a known sex offender on its teacher roll, sacrificing many children, including a five year old girl in the process? I'm sure you'll not believe me on this, so here's the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/ex-montgomery-music-teacher-indicted-on-39-counts-of-sexual-abuse-of-girls-including-rape/2014/02/27/fa050882-9feb-11e3-a050-dc3322a94fa7_story.html

You want protected classes at the expense of little children? Taxpayers? Christians? Who else do you want to sacrifice?

Who determines protected classes? Well my Legal Beagle, I'll let you in on a secret. Once a year a committee convenes. Oprah chairs it, and the other voting members are the current head of OWS, Rosie O'Donnell, that New Black Panther with a billy club, the Indian from the Village People, an Angry Black Woman with an Obamaphone and Sandra Fluke. We were halfway through our 2015 selection process. About to establish a pathway to citizenship for Rescue Pitbulls. We were debating how to calculate the Social Security retirement age in dog years, when... Hold the Presses! Cait Jenner made her debut! Billy Jean King graciously tabled the Pitbull resolution in the interest of the Greater Good.

And that is why if you ever call Cait Jenner a "he", you legally have to pay her ten thousand dollars. Each time. Job well done, Team! Can't wait to see what wins in 2016. Oprah thinks the Pitbull Citizenship resolution will carry. But me? I think gender quotas for the NBA. It's Time!

In other words, I'm correct. Thank you.

No, in other words you are a moron and I am teasing you. Protected classes are defined in law by Acts of the US Congress , the biggest of which is the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The CRA the biggest? Sorry, protected classes, and areas of protection, added since then makes the CRA simply a starting point. "Outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion or national origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs without defining the term "private"