JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is making a fair point. As well as the PP who mentioned families that bail after 2nd or 3rd grade.

However, I think the overall trend is that more and more families are sticking with DCPS and doing the work to improve the schools.

OP's point might have been fair if she had just asked Ward 3 families who do get into EOTP Pre-K to get involved in the school while they are there. There is nothing fair about just asking them to stay off what isn't really her lawn.

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If parents roll up their sleeves when they are there, you cannot blame them or ask for more. Especially it they are OOB, which by definition means there was no-one IB who was interested in the spot.

In contrast, my EOTP school has a long IB wait list for PK. This is very different from OP's situation. In our case, I would prefer that the IB parents who are admitted at PK3 be those with a long term commitment. Otherwise, they exclude IB parents who might have committed long term, and by the time K comes around, those excluded parents are already committed to a charter or maybe another DCPS (because they are the great kind of parent that will commit to wherever they get in).

BUT even in our case, I do not resent or judge the IB parents who use our school for PK only. It's their right, especially since they rented or bought IB. I do hope that they contribute while they are with us. That's all I ask. But this is not OP's situation. OP should focus on increasing IB interest. Then, in a few years, OP will be lucky enough to have our problem, i.e. the problem of an oversubscribed school. In the meantime, OP should be grateful for OOB parents who come for a couple of years and make contributions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

Let's get really radical. How about everyone in DC pays at least a minimum of, say, $5,000 in DC income tax? Schools get more resources, parents truly buy in, and free riders and whiners go elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

Let's get really radical. How about everyone in DC pays at least a minimum of, say, $5,000 in DC income tax? Schools get more resources, parents truly buy in, and free riders and whiners go elsewhere.

$5,000 per household with school-age kids, that is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

+100. The anti-OOB sentiment displayed by some of these PPs is astounding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

+100. The anti-OOB sentiment displayed by some of these PPs is astounding.

+1. I really hope they are in the minority, because we WILL be at an EOTP school for Pre-K coming from Ward 3. The less hostility we sense from the other parents, the more we will be inclined to get involved and invested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

+100. The anti-OOB sentiment displayed by some of these PPs is astounding.

+1. I really hope they are in the minority, because we WILL be at an EOTP school for Pre-K coming from Ward 3. The less hostility we sense from the other parents, the more we will be inclined to get involved and invested.

Where does your child attend school now, and why don't you want them to stay, may I ask?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

+100. The anti-OOB sentiment displayed by some of these PPs is astounding.

+1. I really hope they are in the minority, because we WILL be at an EOTP school for Pre-K coming from Ward 3. The less hostility we sense from the other parents, the more we will be inclined to get involved and invested.

Where does your child attend school now, and why don't you want them to stay, may I ask?

Not at all. I'm staying home. We have twins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

I know what you mean, but you are likely understating the value of a good Head Start program (PK3-4) and overstating the importance of genetics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've had 3 kids start in Janney PK (and then K) in recent years and I've never come across any classmates who did PK at another NWDC public school. Everyone goes to St Columba's or Communikids or one of the Jewish preschools or a downtown daycare or any number of other private (pay) schools.

I do know one family (out of 100) that did the PS3 year at Appletree and then (inbounds) Janney PK.
I honestly don't think OP's post is a widespread "problem" at all.

jeez, THANK you. I am a PP who called bullshit on the alleged problem of children living "JKLM" -- which I'll remind everyone is AU Park, Chevy Chase DC, Wesley Hts, Cleveland Park, Palisades, Forest Hills and Friendship Heights -- running all over the city and snatching up spots in ps3.

This isn't happening.

Excellent. Since it doesn't happen, Ward 3 families will not mind at all to having no OOB feeder rights at PK3 and PK4. Everyone is agreed then...

Thankfully, this is legally impossible as long as Ward 3 families pay taxes that help fund your school as well. Would you like to have Ward 3 break apart from the District so you don't have to share resources? Let's see how well that would pan out financially for the rest of the city.

Actually, it may come as a shock to you that the city already discriminates against different parts of the city. You might have notices that Ward 3 schools have no PK3 and all of the rest of the city does. You might also be aware that now some parts of the city have a right to enroll -- no lottery -- for PK3 and PK4. I don't think what is being proposed is legally impossible at all.

Well, maybe the city shouldn't do that, and provide PK3 and PK4 according to demand to the entire city. Then your "problem" would be solved. Or, since we all know that this government service is really only necessary for low-income kids, people above a certain HHI - in all wards - should be banned from enrolling. Oh, wait, that would of course be bad for the schools, since the quality hinges on the presence of high SES students. But then how do you not only legally, but morally justify excluding people from Ward 3, unless you want to get rid of the whole OOB business? Maybe just exclude all parents above a certain HHI from enrolling anywhere OOB? This is really going nowhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

I know what you mean, but you are likely understating the value of a good Head Start program (PK3-4) and overstating the importance of genetics.


+100! That is the reason public preK was started, to addres this gap.

[Anonymous]

I looked up the IB percentages at some of the Cardozo feeding schools. SWWFS is very low, 26 percent, and enjoys some popularity on DCUM. So maybe this is the school OP means, if it's not Oyster families at Marie Reed.