JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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Anonymous wrote:I looked up the IB percentages at some of the Cardozo feeding schools. SWWFS is very low, 26 percent, and enjoys some popularity on DCUM. So maybe this is the school OP means, if it's not Oyster families at Marie Reed.

SWWFS is also near a lot of people's offices so that would make sense

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

+100. The anti-OOB sentiment displayed by some of these PPs is astounding.

Plus the assumption that the OOB kids starting at k haven't been in pre-k or any program prior to entering.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

I know what you mean, but you are likely understating the value of a good Head Start program (PK3-4) and overstating the importance of genetics.


+100! That is the reason public preK was started, to addres this gap.

Yes, a good Head Start program is beneficial, but it is not going to close the gap, and so there will always be kids that are worse prepared for K than others, even if they had all attended PK at that school. The idea that a few less prepared kids who join in K because a couple of high-SES OOB students leave (vs. the less prepared students having been there for the past year or two) is going to "kill" the school is preposterous.

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OP, what were you hoping to accomplish with this thread? Do you really think any Ward 3 parents will be convinced by your argument not to participate in the lottery? Or be scared away? Otherwise, were you just trying so sow some discord between DC parents on opposite sides of the park? What is gained by doing that? I wonder if you are very young, because this all sounds very immature.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what were you hoping to accomplish with this thread? Do you really think any Ward 3 parents will be convinced by your argument not to participate in the lottery? Or be scared away? Otherwise, were you just trying so sow some discord between DC parents on opposite sides of the park? What is gained by doing that? I wonder if you are very young, because this all sounds very immature.

Perhaps OP feels poorly educated because some horrible OOB monsters killed his own elementary 15-20 years ago? If so, I fully understand his resentment. Must be tough to recover from that.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

You bet, from Palisades to Appletree CH

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Perhaps OP feels poorly educated because some horrible OOB monsters killed his own elementary 15-20 years ago? If so, I fully understand his resentment. Must be tough to recover from that.

HER resentment. the feminine should should be the default on dcum, even if the posters have xy chromosomes

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

You bet, from Palisades to Appletree CH

+1 Tenleytown to the same!

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Perhaps OP feels poorly educated because some horrible OOB monsters killed his own elementary 15-20 years ago? If so, I fully understand his resentment. Must be tough to recover from that.

HER resentment. the feminine should should be the default on dcum, even if the posters have xy chromosomes

As a general rule, I agree. But, taking into acount OP's aggressive and short-sighted stance, I am inclined to believe he is a male. (As I am)

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

You bet, from Palisades to Appletree CH

+1 Tenleytown to the same!

Palisades-to-Appletree CH -- IF that's true -- works on the Hill. Same for Tenley. Nobody in her right mind would make that commute 2x a day in rush hour and breeze past a zillion other options along the way.

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HER resentment. the feminine should should be the default on dcum, even if the posters have xy chromosomes

As a general rule, I agree. But, taking into acount OP's aggressive and short-sighted stance, I am inclined to believe he is a male. (As I am)

I am also a male, but when I am on the dcum schools forum I consider myself transexual. We are all ladies here

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

You bet, from Palisades to Appletree CH

+1 Tenleytown to the same!

Palisades-to-Appletree CH -- IF that's true -- works on the Hill. Same for Tenley. Nobody in her right mind would make that commute 2x a day in rush hour and breeze past a zillion other options along the way.

Isn't Appletree the one school were OP would "allow" Ward 3 parents to apply, because it is only PreK? Anyhow, I agree that given that I don't work on the Hill, I would not drive my kids there from Tenleytown. I'll pick closer options when I play the lottery!

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Anonymous wrote:You can't have it both ways. Everyone who pays DC taxes can play the lottery regardless of their zip code.

Let's get radical here. How about everyone who pays DC taxes has equal access to all DC schools. Crickets from Ward 3...

If you swapped the Janney student body with one from a failing school, Janneys test scores would plummet. Just one reason of a million why filling NW schools with OOB kids won't help those kids and why a city wide lottery means failure for all kids.

+1. The number 1 reason a school is good is because the students are well-prepared. And not well-prepared by some PreK program, well-prepared by their parents (and their genes). So more high SES kids even for just a year or two in a preK program will be good for that program. It is too bad for the school if they don't stay, but the school isn't any worse off for them having been there. As for the "ill-prepared" kids that might replace them for K, see above: having attended PreK at that school could have only mitigated that so much. It's not a matter of "saving" or "killing" the school. So as PP above said, OP needs to lobby for more high-SES IB parents to choose her school, THAT really is her problem.

The school is "worse off" because when they leave they are replaced by OOB kids who did not attend PK and are not ready for K in the same way as the rest of the cohort.

The point is that that argument is flawed.

The argument can't even be reasonable made. We are in the midst of such rapid change and I know at my school lots of families are remaining flexible but optimistic.

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HER resentment. the feminine should should be the default on dcum, even if the posters have xy chromosomes

As a general rule, I agree. But, taking into acount OP's aggressive and short-sighted stance, I am inclined to believe he is a male. (As I am)

I am also a male, but when I am on the dcum schools forum I consider myself transexual. We are all ladies here

Love this!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't most jklm do private preschool?

Yes, absolutely for age 3. I have never once met a person in my Murch boundary neighborhood who has cast about the city for a free spot in a DCPS for pk3.

For age four, I have met two household IB for Murch who sent their kids -- interestingly, both families had twins -- to Hearst for pk4. One of these families did this about 8 years ago, the other, more recently.

It's not a common thing in these parts, at all.

Fight by anecdote! I know several Upper NW families that used public schools for PK3, and many who sent their kids to other schools for PK4 because they couldn't get into their IB school. So by my limited experience it must be a very common thing!

"upper NW" isn't the same as Ward 3.

How many families do you know who own homes in 20015 or 20016 and send their kids across the city for pk3? Be honest.

We do....20016 code.

No you don't. No way.

You bet, from Palisades to Appletree CH

+1 Tenleytown to the same!

Palisades-to-Appletree CH -- IF that's true -- works on the Hill. Same for Tenley. Nobody in her right mind would make that commute 2x a day in rush hour and breeze past a zillion other options along the way.[/
No, we don't work in the Hill, my husband drops off and I pick up. We both work downtown, and even if we live in 20016, that does not mean we want to spend the cash to pay for private preschool for two kids. We played the lottery, got matched up with what was not our first option in terms of commute, but are happy we got matched at all. And at the end of the day, I pay taxes like everybody else in the city, so why couldn't I have access to any public school I want? All IB kids have priority anyway, so I'm not taking anything away from the neighborhood, right? And if I apply the same logic of OP, do I have the right to get upset later on about the OOB kids going to my very desirable IB school?