JKLM residents are killing elementaries in lower NW

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"our schools", what???

children are not spawn.

This thread has lost any useful notion of discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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I think this is where you are wrong. Most people don't judge a school by their prek3 experience, they make decisions based on the long-term perspective.

Which is why JKLM should stay out of EOTP DCPS. Go charters all you want, but don't duck into our schools just to abandon them when you reach K. No matter how involved you were when you were there, we are better off without you and your spawn.

What is wrong with your life that you are so full of hate? Truly despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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I think this is where you are wrong. Most people don't judge a school by their prek3 experience, they make decisions based on the long-term perspective.

Which is why JKLM should stay out of EOTP DCPS. Go charters all you want, but don't duck into our schools just to abandon them when you reach K. No matter how involved you were when you were there, we are better off without you and your spawn.

PP was talking about EOTP parents. But I see that you are not intelligent enough to get that.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the drawbacks of so-called school choice is that some people will make choices you won't agree with. Unless, of course, you get to choose who gets a choice and what choices they are allowed to make.

Well put. They apparently wish they had that power.

I don't want that power. I do wish parents would think a bit about consequences for on school and only enroll if it is possible they'd stay if school is good enough. Wotp chartermom above is great example. No problem with her

Riddle me this. What if you chose a school and then people fled (either because of leadership change or any other reason). Now your kid is in a subpar school. But if you leave that will make it worse for the kids you leave behind. Are you required to leave your kid in a diminishing educational environment? If you think that makes you a bigger person then so be it. My kids are more important than your faux principles.

of course you leave if the school isn't good enough, as long as you enrolled with the possibility of staying, which jklm parents dont. Most people charter into their 3rd or worse choice with the possibility of staying if it is a fantastic fit. Happened to us. Our school was 6th choice and yet we didn't play lottery this year. That is the difference
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I think this is where you are wrong. Most people don't judge a school by their prek3 experience, they make decisions based on the long-term perspective.

Which is why JKLM should stay out of EOTP DCPS. Go charters all you want, but don't duck into our schools just to abandon them when you reach K. No matter how involved you were when you were there, we are better off without you and your spawn.

Which creep would call other people's kids "spawn"?

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Spawn poster aside (I mean really aside. Spawn? Were your kids hatched from eggs in a pond somewhere?), why should some parents be able to lottery into a school that is best for their child/family but others aren't? If some parents are expected to forego PreK at an OOB school for the sake of the school and that school's neighborhood, why aren't other parents expected to go to their IB, regardless of its quality, so that school can improve, rather than send their kids to a school that is best for their child/ family?

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Anonymous wrote:Spawn poster aside (I mean really aside. Spawn? Were your kids hatched from eggs in a pond somewhere?), why should some parents be able to lottery into a school that is best for their child/family but others aren't? If some parents are expected to forego PreK at an OOB school for the sake of the school and that school's neighborhood, why aren't other parents expected to go to their IB, regardless of its quality, so that school can improve, rather than send their kids to a school that is best for their child/ family?

Clearly, the spawn poster is a toad.

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Anonymous wrote:Spawn poster aside (I mean really aside. Spawn? Were your kids hatched from eggs in a pond somewhere?), why should some parents be able to lottery into a school that is best for their child/family but others aren't? If some parents are expected to forego PreK at an OOB school for the sake of the school and that school's neighborhood, why aren't other parents expected to go to their IB, regardless of its quality, so that school can improve, rather than send their kids to a school that is best for their child/ family?

Clearly, the spawn poster is a toad.

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Anonymous wrote:Spawn poster aside (I mean really aside. Spawn? Were your kids hatched from eggs in a pond somewhere?), why should some parents be able to lottery into a school that is best for their child/family but others aren't? If some parents are expected to forego PreK at an OOB school for the sake of the school and that school's neighborhood, why aren't other parents expected to go to their IB, regardless of its quality, so that school can improve, rather than send their kids to a school that is best for their child/ family?

Presumably because you live in a neighborhood that already has acceptably good public schools?

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You can presume as you like you will never actually know, will you? I could be a parent living IB for a sub-par school who wants to preserve my ability to enter the lottery with as many choices as possible for my family. I wouldn't want OP's desire to limit other parents' choices to end up limiting mine as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally agree, although would argue that it isn't about the "underpreparedness" (in fact many of the kids that come in after pK do very well, in my experience) but rather this is symptomatic of the feeling in the city as a whole that "the grass is always greener", which leads to a lot of churning and a lack of commitment. One of the ways schools improve is through committed parents who are planning to stay for many years (and thus have reasons to invest in the school) and the lottery and feeling that "oh, any year my kid might get into X school and we will move" doesn't help the schools that are trying to improve.

Okay, soapbox over.

Very true. We are at an EOTP school that is terrific, but very few higher income families stay past prek. We are there for k now and hope to stay snother couple of years... We're going a couple of years at a time, because the long haul feels long, and there are unexpected twists and turns ahead, as well as we think we want a bigger house in a fancier neighborhood, but you are 100 percent right. One reason the trend may be changing is our school is bilingual and that is trendy now.

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we bought in Upper NW five years ago, when we were priced out of Mt. Pleasant, the desirable parts of the Hill, U Street and Shaw

Where could this be? ^^^

Why do you need to know? Do you think I'm lying? There obviously weren't too many such opportunities available back then either, but they did exist during that phase after the 2008 crisis. Point being, you cannot generalize that anyone who owns a home and has small kids must have paid over 800K and be rich. There are small homes WOTP, some in crappy condition, and people on budgets equivalent to those of people EOTP have bought here. And even some of the people who did pay that much may be house poor, and it's not for anyone to judge whether or not they should have put themselves into that situation, and whether they must now suck up private preschool as well.

+1. We bought a fixer upper at the bottom of the market and have slowly been fixing ever since. Not everything in Ward 3 is above 800K. But like someone else wisely said, we do not need to explain ourselves. It is called PUBLIC school for a reason. All DC residents have access to it if they so wish. We all pay taxes. IB kids have preference, what do you care where I send my kids to school? If I drive from Palisades to Columbia Heights every morning is my problem.

I care because you are displacing student(s) and family(s) who could be making a long-term commitment to that school, which is the only way schools EOTP will improve. We need to minimize churn and school-hopping.

Just give it a rest. It's been explained to you over and over again why this complaint is neither valid nor actionable in any defensible way.

np here (well, I posted much eariler in this thread). I, along with others, do think it is a valid and defensible complaint. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Long-term impact on a neighborhood school is one of the things you should consider before you enroll yoru child for a year or two at a school. Our voices have also spoken out "over and over" in this thread too. You can't claim consensus. I did send my kid to private prek when I lived wotp.

I'm an EOTP parent at an EOTP DCPS, and my problem with this thread is the assumption that EOTP parents aren't doing this too. I know so many people who play the lottery and move after a year or two at their neighborhood school. The problem for neighborhood schools is not WOTP parents--it is that in an era of school choice, where it is relatively easy to move from one school to another, especially if you play the lottery year after year, people who are pretty happy with a school get into another by luck and go to that other school. That means that people who would be really committed to a neighborhood school are leaving because they get into a demonstrably better school.

I don't have any problem with people enrolling at our school from other parts of the city, even if they know it is just for a year or two, but I do wish that those people would be active in the PTA and in the school. I do feel like, because they know they are short-timers, they don't commit to our school in the way they will to their inbounds school.

The difference is that many EOTP parents who enroll his/her child WOULD stay if the experience was good enough (or as good as any JKLM school). They do school shop and hop around BECAUSE the experience isn't that good. That is not true for your wotp pk3 and pk4ers. They will not stay even if the school they OB into is fantastic because they have a fantastic school with a neighbrohood community (something our eotp school won't ever be able to offer them) beginning at K. I do think this is a moral issue. Not big case Moral, but lower case moral. I wouldn't do it.

There was also a JKLM poster on here who had lotteried into Lamb at pk3 two years ago and were wondering if they should stay for K or move back to their fantastic neighborhood school. They liked Lamb a lot, no problems there. To me that is also a moral issue. You shoudln't have lotteried for Lamb unelss you imtended to stay since Lamb can't fill a spot after pk4.

You are fooling yourself if you think that the majority of EOTP parents who lottery into a school that isn't their first choice for PK3 are going in with an open mind, and not with the intention to play the lottery again the following year to see if they can get into a more desirable school. A great PK3 experience is not going to trump their concern with long-term educational offerings and test scores. So they will keep trying if they can do better. There isn't anything substantially different about that approach than that of WOTP parents who plan to join their IB school for K. The fact that you think so just shows that your "moral compass" on this is really just rooted in your resentment for people who are guaranteed a great option for K.

But I've seen it on this forum. People got into their "not great" IB school as their only option and then decided they liked it and are not playing the lottery and still there. parents report this in this forum. It is a possibility, but not for jklmers. Nobody is taking away choice of jklm parents, just asking them to consider the ramifications of their choices on others before they send their kids to a school that they 100% won't stay at past pk4.

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Anonymous wrote:"our schools", what???

children are not spawn.

This thread has lost any useful notion of discourse.

I don't know. At least spawn is transparent. "snowflake" I find has the same tone but is way creepier.

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we bought in Upper NW five years ago, when we were priced out of Mt. Pleasant, the desirable parts of the Hill, U Street and Shaw

Where could this be? ^^^

Why do you need to know? Do you think I'm lying? There obviously weren't too many such opportunities available back then either, but they did exist during that phase after the 2008 crisis. Point being, you cannot generalize that anyone who owns a home and has small kids must have paid over 800K and be rich. There are small homes WOTP, some in crappy condition, and people on budgets equivalent to those of people EOTP have bought here. And even some of the people who did pay that much may be house poor, and it's not for anyone to judge whether or not they should have put themselves into that situation, and whether they must now suck up private preschool as well.

+1. We bought a fixer upper at the bottom of the market and have slowly been fixing ever since. Not everything in Ward 3 is above 800K. But like someone else wisely said, we do not need to explain ourselves. It is called PUBLIC school for a reason. All DC residents have access to it if they so wish. We all pay taxes. IB kids have preference, what do you care where I send my kids to school? If I drive from Palisades to Columbia Heights every morning is my problem.

I care because you are displacing student(s) and family(s) who could be making a long-term commitment to that school, which is the only way schools EOTP will improve. We need to minimize churn and school-hopping.

Just give it a rest. It's been explained to you over and over again why this complaint is neither valid nor actionable in any defensible way.

np here (well, I posted much eariler in this thread). I, along with others, do think it is a valid and defensible complaint. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Long-term impact on a neighborhood school is one of the things you should consider before you enroll yoru child for a year or two at a school. Our voices have also spoken out "over and over" in this thread too. You can't claim consensus. I did send my kid to private prek when I lived wotp.

I'm an EOTP parent at an EOTP DCPS, and my problem with this thread is the assumption that EOTP parents aren't doing this too. I know so many people who play the lottery and move after a year or two at their neighborhood school. The problem for neighborhood schools is not WOTP parents--it is that in an era of school choice, where it is relatively easy to move from one school to another, especially if you play the lottery year after year, people who are pretty happy with a school get into another by luck and go to that other school. That means that people who would be really committed to a neighborhood school are leaving because they get into a demonstrably better school.

I don't have any problem with people enrolling at our school from other parts of the city, even if they know it is just for a year or two, but I do wish that those people would be active in the PTA and in the school. I do feel like, because they know they are short-timers, they don't commit to our school in the way they will to their inbounds school.

The difference is that many EOTP parents who enroll his/her child WOULD stay if the experience was good enough (or as good as any JKLM school). They do school shop and hop around BECAUSE the experience isn't that good. That is not true for your wotp pk3 and pk4ers. They will not stay even if the school they OB into is fantastic because they have a fantastic school with a neighbrohood community (something our eotp school won't ever be able to offer them) beginning at K. I do think this is a moral issue. Not big case Moral, but lower case moral. I wouldn't do it.

There was also a JKLM poster on here who had lotteried into Lamb at pk3 two years ago and were wondering if they should stay for K or move back to their fantastic neighborhood school. They liked Lamb a lot, no problems there. To me that is also a moral issue. You shoudln't have lotteried for Lamb unelss you imtended to stay since Lamb can't fill a spot after pk4.

You are fooling yourself if you think that the majority of EOTP parents who lottery into a school that isn't their first choice for PK3 are going in with an open mind, and not with the intention to play the lottery again the following year to see if they can get into a more desirable school. A great PK3 experience is not going to trump their concern with long-term educational offerings and test scores. So they will keep trying if they can do better. There isn't anything substantially different about that approach than that of WOTP parents who plan to join their IB school for K. The fact that you think so just shows that your "moral compass" on this is really just rooted in your resentment for people who are guaranteed a great option for K.

But I've seen it on this forum. People got into their "not great" IB school as their only option and then decided they liked it and are not playing the lottery and still there. parents report this in this forum. It is a possibility, but not for jklmers. Nobody is taking away choice of jklm parents, just asking them to consider the ramifications of their choices on others before they send their kids to a school that they 100% won't stay at past pk4.

Precisely. Not taking them away from anybody, but trying to make those with decent IB's consider the consequences for others down the line.

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Anonymous wrote:"our schools", what???

children are not spawn.

This thread has lost any useful notion of discourse.

I don't know. At least spawn is transparent. "snowflake" I find has the same tone but is way creepier.

the interesting thing about the word "spawn" as used with children is that it is exclusively used by adults who don't have children -- typically really young "adults" and/or gay men.

"Don't bring your spawn to my ersatz dive restaurant because their presence upsets my beard and skinny plaid shirt."

"I hope there are no spawn on my flight."

"Jared can't make it to our adult dodgeball game because his spawn is apparently sick and crawling with germs."

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Which is why JKLM should stay out of EOTP DCPS. Go charters all you want, but don't duck into our schools just to abandon them when you reach K. No matter how involved you were when you were there, we are better off without you and your spawn.

So people who (i) pay the same taxes as you do, but (ii) live in areas without PS3 programs shouldn't take advantage of the PS3 programs in your neighborhood? Sorry, no.