UVA Gang rape

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I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

n


There are mentally unstable women, just like there are shitty men. Maybe, she had an issue with someone in the frat. Maybe she is enjoying the attention coming from this claim, even if she's remaining anonymous. To be honest, I really don't like suggesting that she is lying, especially when she very well might not be, it's a very ugly accusation to make. But let's be real. Women are capable of bad behavior too, just like men are. I don't necessarily think she is lying, but I don't think the evidence is there to make the assumptions that everyone seems to be making.

You are living in an island could denial. This isn't some random allegation, don't you think journalists vet sources before publishing? If not, get familar with the real world.

Every source in this article is anonymous. And in the end, "Jackie" claims that she doesn't yet feel ready to press criminal or civil charges. But she feels ready to approach Rolling Stone to give it national attention?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

And you are why people don't come forward. Or at least why I didn't. "He's such a nice guy! He wouldn't do so a thing!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

Maybe one or two strangers if they weren't frat brothers, without that strange bromance bond.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'll definitely teach my kids to call the police AND me if something bad ever happens to them or their friends.

Clearly you don't have teenagers, but apparently you don't remember being a teen either. What we teach our kids is not always what they learn. Do you think Hannah Graham's parents didn't teach her not to walk around alone at night? Do you think her friends' parents didn't teach them to call for help if their friend texts them to say she's lost at 1 am? Do you think this Rolling Stone girl's parents encouraged her to go to upperclassmen's rooms at drunken frat parties? And her friends' parents told then not to report crimes if they'll look uncool?

Sadly, you can teach teenagers until you are blue in the face to do the right thing but if they are drunk then all clear thinking goes out the window. Alcohol is a drug that effects the mind and people do stupid horrible things when they are drunk. The safest student on a college campus is a sober one.

Heavy drinking on campus definitely contributes to sexual assault, but this case reveals that the problems is also college guys who are also sexual predators-and sexual predators who can operate without sanctions in an environment where there are endless potential targets to victimize. A man doesn't shove a bottle into the vagina of a bleeding girl because he had a few too many beers and things got a little crazy.

[Anonymous]

I'm only concerned about justice. And of course there are rapists on campus. For for 7 (or more, if more were in the room witnessing) rapists to be together at the same time, and none thought it wrong or thought to stop it or try to stop it, just seems unbelievable. More unbelievable than the Duke rape case years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

And you are why people don't come forward. Or at least why I didn't. "He's such a nice guy! He wouldn't do so a thing!"

Here it's a case of 7 guys and a group of friends and dorm mates who reacted in a way, that quite frankly just doesn't mesh with my experience of human behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

No, it does not surprise me AT ALL. In this day and age of porn on demand, open drug use, lax law enforcement, and the accepted objectification of women in which some willingly participate (rearead the RS article to find the part about the female student who regularly hooked up with frat boys like it was a sport). No, it does not surprise me at all.

[Anonymous]

First slavery. Now drunk rape houses. Seems like the UVA bros always need to hurt someone. They must have brain rot from generations of alcohol abuse and stupidity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

n


There are mentally unstable women, just like there are shitty men. Maybe, she had an issue with someone in the frat. Maybe she is enjoying the attention coming from this claim, even if she's remaining anonymous. To be honest, I really don't like suggesting that she is lying, especially when she very well might not be, it's a very ugly accusation to make. But let's be real. Women are capable of bad behavior too, just like men are. I don't necessarily think she is lying, but I don't think the evidence is there to make the assumptions that everyone seems to be making.

You are living in an island could denial. This isn't some random allegation, don't you think journalists vet sources before publishing? If not, get familar with the real world.

Every source in this article is anonymous. And in the end, "Jackie" claims that she doesn't yet feel ready to press criminal or civil charges. But she feels ready to approach Rolling Stone to give it national attention?

Pretty sure that Rolling Stone approached her for her story, since UVA is under investigation for failing to address this issue on campus. Jackie's story isn't the only story out there about UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

And you are why people don't come forward. Or at least why I didn't. "He's such a nice guy! He wouldn't do so a thing!"

Here it's a case of 7 guys and a group of friends and dorm mates who reacted in a way, that quite frankly just doesn't mesh with my experience of human behavior.

Consider yourself lucky. There is an academic literature studying gang rape. It is a real social phenomena, and college guys do participate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First slavery. Now drunk rape houses. Seems like the UVA bros always need to hurt someone. They must have brain rot from generations of alcohol abuse and stupidity.

The Native Americans should have turned their ancestors away. So much evil would have been avoided if they were forced back to live amongst their own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she is lying or mentally ill. It would be extremely unlikely that 7 or more UVA students would all do this. One maybe, two maybe, but seven just is unbelievable. They would worry about consequences, they would have morality, etc.

They must watch Law and Order or a movie ever and know that just a little trace evidence would screw them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and I'll definitely teach my kids to call the police AND me if something bad ever happens to them or their friends.

Clearly you don't have teenagers, but apparently you don't remember being a teen either. What we teach our kids is not always what they learn. Do you think Hannah Graham's parents didn't teach her not to walk around alone at night? Do you think her friends' parents didn't teach them to call for help if their friend texts them to say she's lost at 1 am? Do you think this Rolling Stone girl's parents encouraged her to go to upperclassmen's rooms at drunken frat parties? And her friends' parents told then not to report crimes if they'll look uncool?

Sadly, you can teach teenagers until you are blue in the face to do the right thing but if they are drunk then all clear thinking goes out the window. Alcohol is a drug that effects the mind and people do stupid horrible things when they are drunk. The safest student on a college campus is a sober one.

Heavy drinking on campus definitely contributes to sexual assault, but this case reveals that the problems is also college guys who are also sexual predators-and sexual predators who can operate without sanctions in an environment where there are endless potential targets to victimize. A man doesn't shove a bottle into the vagina of a bleeding girl because he had a few too many beers and things got a little crazy.

Normal people don't usually murder other people either but they do it everyday when they get in their cars after drinking alcohol.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if sexual assaults on campus are more frequent and more acceptable given that many more kids are sexually active and more promiscuous at a much earlier age given the changing times and attitudes towards sex.

Back in my day, you didn't have sex in HS until junior or senior year and only with a long term BF...otherwise you were labeled a slut. And parents weren't cool with putting their teens or Tweens on BC, so girls were careful not to do anything that could result in pregnancy.

Now I'm hearing about girls giving handjobs and BJs at MS parties!!! And there's usually photographic or video evidence of it circulated around school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I can completely understand why she wouldn't have reported it right away and I also have no doubt that rape is underreported. The problem I have with this article and the reactions is that it is making many very serious and shocking claims that are tarnishing the school and there is no proof that they occurred. Everyone involved in the article from the alleged victim, assailant and friends are all anonymous. The article makes claims that I honestly have a hard time fathoming. That the seven men premeditated an incredibly violent gang rape, that her friends that supposedly saw her immediately afterwards reacted in an incredibly callous way, that she saw the man a few days later and he thanked her for the great evening, and even the remark later on from the girl who said she should have just enjoyed having sex with seven hot psy phi's seem a bit hard for me to accept. Of course, it's possible that it could all be true. What's also a possibility, is that the woman who approached Rolling Stone with these allegations could for whatever reason be lying. Yes, sexual atrocities can and do occur, even at places like UVA; but there are unstable women who lie about rape also.

I can see your point, but after being a rape counselor, I see this as a brilliant strategy and very well thought out. Seven united against one, and making an real effort to make it seem like an enjoyable evening that she participated in willingly. Self preservation by the guilty. It happens more often than you think. A gang rape -- they all stand together, especially if she did not go directly to the police. Even then, there is always the "consensual" argument.

What would be her motivation to lie? What would be Rolling Stone's motivation to publish a completely uncorroborated story - that obviously took the author months to research - and risk their own reputation? Like someone else pointed out earlier, UVA has record of this case bring brought to the university or else they would have outright denied it. The last thing we need to be doing is questioning the victim.

n


There are mentally unstable women, just like there are shitty men. Maybe, she had an issue with someone in the frat. Maybe she is enjoying the attention coming from this claim, even if she's remaining anonymous. To be honest, I really don't like suggesting that she is lying, especially when she very well might not be, it's a very ugly accusation to make. But let's be real. Women are capable of bad behavior too, just like men are. I don't necessarily think she is lying, but I don't think the evidence is there to make the assumptions that everyone seems to be making.

You are living in an island could denial. This isn't some random allegation, don't you think journalists vet sources before publishing? If not, get familar with the real world.

Every source in this article is anonymous. And in the end, "Jackie" claims that she doesn't yet feel ready to press criminal or civil charges. But she feels ready to approach Rolling Stone to give it national attention?

Pretty sure that Rolling Stone approached her for her story, since UVA is under investigation for failing to address this issue on campus. Jackie's story isn't the only story out there about UVA.

How would Rolling Stone know who she is?