More Attractive: Asshole Jock or Respectful Chess Nerd?

[Anonymous]

I think plenty of women here have said they aren't married to jerks. I know I'm not.

If you simply want to get laid, go be an asshole if it works so well.

If you want a real relationship, be genuine and you'll meet the right person.

You sound immature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think plenty of women here have said they aren't married to jerks. I know I'm not.

If you simply want to get laid, go be an asshole if it works so well.

If you want a real relationship, be genuine and you'll meet the right person.

You sound immature.

Will this thread ever die? Anybody can give an example of a douchebag who gets laid all the time and a decent guy who has problems doing the same. So what? And yes, the quarterback of a D1 school is never going to have to look hard for someone to bang while the shy guy doing his biology homework will. So what? Is any of this new?

[Anonymous]

Who the hell cares about which hs guy was getting laid 20 years ago? It's a different game now.

[Anonymous]

I admit to previously being jealous of the asshole jock. Yeah, he was they guy who: kicked sand in my face at the beach, stole my girl, had to watch pick up classmate after classmate with little effort and early in my career screw me over in the office and became the boss's pet.

And while I should be wishing that someone gives him a well-deserved, savage beating, it really doesn't matter anymore. As the pp said, that was 20 years ago. So now I am doing well at my job, probably in better shape than the asshole jock, and have sex 3-4 times/week with a wife who is pretty much open to my sexual fantasies. Would I have been happier/more satisfied if I had slept with 20 women before I met my wife? Will never know but wouldn't trade that for what I have now for the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I admit to previously being jealous of the asshole jock. Yeah, he was they guy who: kicked sand in my face at the beach, stole my girl, had to watch pick up classmate after classmate with little effort and early in my career screw me over in the office and became the boss's pet.

And while I should be wishing that someone gives him a well-deserved, savage beating, it really doesn't matter anymore. As the pp said, that was 20 years ago. So now I am doing well at my job, probably in better shape than the asshole jock, and have sex 3-4 times/week with a wife who is pretty much open to my sexual fantasies. Would I have been happier/more satisfied if I had slept with 20 women before I met my wife? Will never know but wouldn't trade that for what I have now for the world.

jock<>asshsole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I admit to previously being jealous of the asshole jock. Yeah, he was they guy who: kicked sand in my face at the beach, stole my girl, had to watch pick up classmate after classmate with little effort and early in my career screw me over in the office and became the boss's pet.

And while I should be wishing that someone gives him a well-deserved, savage beating, it really doesn't matter anymore. As the pp said, that was 20 years ago. So now I am doing well at my job, probably in better shape than the asshole jock, and have sex 3-4 times/week with a wife who is pretty much open to my sexual fantasies. Would I have been happier/more satisfied if I had slept with 20 women before I met my wife? Will never know but wouldn't trade that for what I have now for the world.

jock<>asshsole.

There is frequently a correlation. Ask any former nerd if he was more likely to get his books dumped by a jock or by someone else.

Also, the reason it isn't entirely satisfactory that it's a different game when it comes to long term relationships is that women will marry men to whom they are not sexually attracted. Witness the nontrivial number of sexless marriages.

[Anonymous]

What is the number of sexless marriages? What about wives who are denied sex from their husbands? Do the same rules apply to lady jocks, or women who wear power suits?

You're drawing gender lines that aren't reflective of reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I admit to previously being jealous of the asshole jock. Yeah, he was they guy who: kicked sand in my face at the beach, stole my girl, had to watch pick up classmate after classmate with little effort and early in my career screw me over in the office and became the boss's pet.

And while I should be wishing that someone gives him a well-deserved, savage beating, it really doesn't matter anymore. As the pp said, that was 20 years ago. So now I am doing well at my job, probably in better shape than the asshole jock, and have sex 3-4 times/week with a wife who is pretty much open to my sexual fantasies. Would I have been happier/more satisfied if I had slept with 20 women before I met my wife? Will never know but wouldn't trade that for what I have now for the world.

jock<>asshsole.

There is frequently a correlation. Ask any former nerd if he was more likely to get his books dumped by a jock or by someone else.

Also, the reason it isn't entirely satisfactory that it's a different game when it comes to long term relationships is that women will marry men to whom they are not sexually attracted. Witness the nontrivial number of sexless marriages.

only a jock has the capacity to dump books without consequences. nerds are assholes in a different way, less physically (not because they wouldn't want to, but because they can't).

[Anonymous]

Rollo has some thoughts on "The Nice Guy" and his attractiveness to women:
http://therationalmale.com/2014/05/18/the-real-nice/

Interestingly, he sees a distinction between what women find attractive and what they find arousing. In this discussion the "chess nerd" might have some attractive qualities, but the "asshole jock" has the arousing qualities.

He also sees the recent trend of dumping on nice guys in feminist circles as essentially rationalization that recognizes that women aren't aroused by nice guys but shifts the blame to those guys for failing to arouse them.


One of the commenters suggests that this dumping on nice guys is a willful failure by feminists to distinguish between Eddie Haskell and Wally Cleaver. (Although, if memory serves, Wally was rather athletic and did all right with the ladies.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm so glad someone is here to tell me what I want. What would we do without you?

Continue to have little to no sex because we're focused on being courteous and funny and good little chore doers because that's what women mostly say they want in a man. When, what we should be doing is focusing on being buff and wealthy and aggressive, because those are the guys who seem to be having the most sex.

This is hysterical! PP's bitterness is so obviously about having tried to be all those things his whole life (buff, wealthy and aggressive) but not able to pull it off, but he wants to act like he's been rejected because he bought into the wrong "type" and now is hateful!

Oh please. OP and all the guys whining in this thread that overall women just want the assholes... face it, the women in your lives just didn't want YOU, apparently because you are petty and can't move on with your lives, among other reasons.

Meanwhile, you call need to stop talking as if nerdy/bookish/shy/kind guys can't also f*** like banshees, because some of them can and that is one of the most awesome, fun experiences ever, seeing a guy like that just get full on IN CONTROL! This isn't the explicit forum, so I'll spare the details, but aside from my current signif other, the best sex I ever had in a relationship was with a guy who was so shy and so nerdy he almost literally ran away from me the first few times I met him and spoke directly to him. But there was something about him... I even had to go after him because he was clearly not going to ever make a move on me. SO GLAD I DID! That is still great fodder for fantasies, even now about 15 years later...

OP and others like him, go on with your Pity Party if you must, but just know you're not fooling most of us. This isn't about us or what women want, it's about YOU and maybe if you focused more on yourselves and not channeling all your energy into blaming others, maybe you might learn some things about yourselves and human interaction that might just make you more attractive! Cuz, obviously from your bitterness, what you're doing now isn't working for you, even if you're in a relationship.

[Anonymous]

^^ PP is right. The blaming and whining isn't attractive, and is serving as a deterrent.

A good sex life over the span of a marriage takes work on both sides. Being petty is absolutely going to tank any decent sex life.

Choose your partner wisely. There's not a chance I could stick with a vanilla guy for 30 years. We all have our deal breakers.

[Anonymous]

http://playboysfw.kinja.com/women-say-they-want-a-guy-with-a-sense-of-humor-they-d-1487449484

Gilbert Gottfried:

"It's like a Pavlovian thing with women. Ask them what they're looking for in a man, and more often than not they'll tell you, "Somebody who makes me laugh." But I'm here to tell you, as a man who has made his living in comedy for more than three decades, that women are full of shit."

[Anonymous]

Gilbert Gottfried is an expert on women? Perhaps, he just reinforces your preconceived ideas about women?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but let's not pretend opinion is fact. Opinion is only fact on the 24 hour news networks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://playboysfw.kinja.com/women-say-they-want-a-guy-with-a-sense-of-humor-they-d-1487449484

Gilbert Gottfried:

"It's like a Pavlovian thing with women. Ask them what they're looking for in a man, and more often than not they'll tell you, "Somebody who makes me laugh." But I'm here to tell you, as a man who has made his living in comedy for more than three decades, that women are full of shit."

this is absolutely not true. it only happens when women are specifically asked about personality or that aspect is implied. no woman is going to say this is her #1 requirement.

also, GG, as one of not that many actually funny men, can, i am sure, have a pretty decent choice of women. he is saying it not because it is true (that many women want funny guys first), and it is certainly not true of him (implication that he, a comedian, could not get any women), but because this is what some people think and most recognize, and it makes it funny. and it is funny because we all know that "i want a funny guy first" is not true. thus we understand the joke.

[Anonymous]

http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/most_desirable_traits/printer.php

Objective: To identify, quantify, and rank the traits that make a man "hot" to women.

1,000 women were asked about their preferences and those preferences were scored according to the percentage of women who put them in their top 10a attributes.

Faithfulness (84%) outranked sense of humor (77%) in this poll. Dependability (75%) came in a close third. Physical attributes (e.g. style (30%), handsome face (26%), muscular build (13%)), and earning potential (21%) were listed as very secondary to those character traits.

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So, I don't know whether women don't actually recognize what they find hot in a guy or if they just don't want to seem shallow. Because, I'm willing to bet that a hot, rich guy with no sense of humor has a lot better shot with the ladies than a hysterically funny guy who is ugly and poor.