Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wooton as a holding school for Damascus is horrific

And you know this will never happen. Wootton goes to Crown and then the Wootton building will be used for other purposes.

I hope it is used to house the Special needs kids - Imagine having a school for the special needs kids instead of these programs in every school. Dedicated teachers, central location.

Because you want MCPS to violate the law? How about an institution where we just lock all the kids away? You would prefer that?

It’s actually not a bad idea. There are not enough sped programs and some kids need specialized programs. You realize between mcps public and private paid kids are locked away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess the resentful Woottonites should have taken out extra loans to purchase houses in the Churchill district instead of Wootton. Sucks to be reminded that being Upper Middle Class means you share some structural conditions with the Middle Class and not the 1%ers of McMansion Potomac. A tragedy.

So much for kindness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue is college acceptances Wootton is a high producing school if they rename it say goodbye to rankings

If you have higher farms, and they are not as academic, it helps with college admissions as less competition. It’s not the name.

Very true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest issue is college acceptances Wootton is a high producing school if they rename it say goodbye to rankings

? Opposite effect. Coming from high performing schools like the Ws makes it harder for college admissions.

colleges will look at your kid compared to their peers in the same HS. If 90% of Wootton families are moving to Crown, not much will have changed, other than maybe since Crown will have a higher FARMs rate, your high stats kid will stand out more.

Go read the UMD acceptance thread. Lots of high stats kids from W schools get rejected at UMD. If that kid went to a school with a higher FARMs rate, they'd probably have an easier time getting into UMD.

It’s actually harder in many states to get into your local top state university as a state resident. The university wants a more diverse student body, along with that sweet out of state tuition and international full tuition kids. In state tuition is a discount off list price that must be carefully rationed.

Correct, which is why it's harder for high stats kids from W schools to get into UMD than if that same kid went to a non W school.

You can’t read. Both kids in your example live in MD. UMD only takes a percentage of MD kids. Everything depends on budgets funded by tuition dollars.

[Anonymous]

How do people from Darnestown feel about Kingsview and Poolesville?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wooton as a holding school for Damascus is horrific

Totally agree. Damascus HS is 28 minutes from Crown and 32 from Wootton. Everyone knows losing 4 minutes of sleep per night on average for 2 years is highly detrimental to long term health and academic success.

32 minutes at top speed. In rush hour it'll be more like 90.

The plan is to keep Damascus kids on site during the rebuild of DHS. They won’t be bussing to Wootton

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wooton as a holding school for Damascus is horrific

Totally agree. Damascus HS is 28 minutes from Crown and 32 from Wootton. Everyone knows losing 4 minutes of sleep per night on average for 2 years is highly detrimental to long term health and academic success.

32 minutes at top speed. In rush hour it'll be more like 90.

The plan is to keep Damascus kids on site during the rebuild of DHS. They won’t be bussing to Wootton

Yeah the plan is to sell Wootton for profit since no holding school is really needed

[Anonymous]

I’m curious to see how quickly we will need another school redistricting plan based on the potential explosion of school populations in Gaithersburg and Montgomery Village. Between the completion of Bloom Village and the Lakeforest plan, you are talking about potentially adding hundreds of new students to that region. Not to mention the fact that many of these communities in those towns will see considerable turnover at some point. I live in the East Village and Goshen ES has seen significant enrollment drops and demographic shifts because the families who moved in in the 90s still own all the houses long after their kids have grown up. Eventually these homes will turnover and hopefully the insane housing costs won’t prevent new families from moving in.

[Anonymous]

This! I don’t know why people don’t see this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious to see how quickly we will need another school redistricting plan based on the potential explosion of school populations in Gaithersburg and Montgomery Village. Between the completion of Bloom Village and the Lakeforest plan, you are talking about potentially adding hundreds of new students to that region. Not to mention the fact that many of these communities in those towns will see considerable turnover at some point. I live in the East Village and Goshen ES has seen significant enrollment drops and demographic shifts because the families who moved in in the 90s still own all the houses long after their kids have grown up. Eventually these homes will turnover and hopefully the insane housing costs won’t prevent new families from moving in.

That’s a great point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the resentful Woottonites should have taken out extra loans to purchase houses in the Churchill district instead of Wootton. Sucks to be reminded that being Upper Middle Class means you share some structural conditions with the Middle Class and not the 1%ers of McMansion Potomac. A tragedy.

You sound really silly. Wootton is mostly middle class - upper middle class and we know it. We aren’t confused about our status. People like us sacrifice and live in small dated houses to get into the district rather than spending the same dollars to live in a nicer home zoned to QO or RM. I and many other parents sacrifice cars and vacations. Yes there is some expensive housing but that’s not the majority by any means.

You’re stilled zoned into Wootton even with the relocation, so what’s the problem? Wootton has been clamoring for a new building forever at board meetings when other schools with less advocacy have it worse, and they now get it. Now if having some lower income students make up more of the student population is the issue, why should the rest of the county subsidize Wootton’s “closed borders.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the resentful Woottonites should have taken out extra loans to purchase houses in the Churchill district instead of Wootton. Sucks to be reminded that being Upper Middle Class means you share some structural conditions with the Middle Class and not the 1%ers of McMansion Potomac. A tragedy.

You sound really silly. Wootton is mostly middle class - upper middle class and we know it. We aren’t confused about our status. People like us sacrifice and live in small dated houses to get into the district rather than spending the same dollars to live in a nicer home zoned to QO or RM. I and many other parents sacrifice cars and vacations. Yes there is some expensive housing but that’s not the majority by any means.

You’re stilled zoned into Wootton even with the relocation, so what’s the problem? Wootton has been clamoring for a new building forever at board meetings when other schools with less advocacy have it worse, and they now get it. Now if having some lower income students make up more of the student population is the issue, why should the rest of the county subsidize Wootton’s “closed borders.”

DP. Why are you against holding MCPS compliant with the law on school closure? You might have a point if Crown had been built AFTER a Wootton boundary change to include kids from other high schools. That would have been transparent.

But it wasn’t.

MCPS had to change the Wootton boundary in order to fill Crown after it appears that it may have knowingly used outdated (pre-COVID) enrollment projections to break ground on gifted valuable land in the heart of densely populated Crown that it was going to lose if it didn’t. MCPS couldn’t move the Wootton boundaries in time to break ground (it tried previously and failed), so it’s doing so retroactively to cover what it appears had been its plan all along.

MCPS had publicly claimed that Crown was built for the very kids you are championing, but it’s now taking it away from them. Don’t you think a state of the art, under enrolled Crown with smaller class sizes would benefit those kids more, while allowing for the future growth of Crown that we know is coming in the next 5-10 years? Under Taylor’s recommendation, WJ will be significantly under enrolled with low FARMS, so I guess WJ families get a benefit's the Crown kids are being denied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the resentful Woottonites should have taken out extra loans to purchase houses in the Churchill district instead of Wootton. Sucks to be reminded that being Upper Middle Class means you share some structural conditions with the Middle Class and not the 1%ers of McMansion Potomac. A tragedy.

You sound really silly. Wootton is mostly middle class - upper middle class and we know it. We aren’t confused about our status. People like us sacrifice and live in small dated houses to get into the district rather than spending the same dollars to live in a nicer home zoned to QO or RM. I and many other parents sacrifice cars and vacations. Yes there is some expensive housing but that’s not the majority by any means.

You’re stilled zoned into Wootton even with the relocation, so what’s the problem? Wootton has been clamoring for a new building forever at board meetings when other schools with less advocacy have it worse, and they now get it. Now if having some lower income students make up more of the student population is the issue, why should the rest of the county subsidize Wootton’s “closed borders.”

DP. Why are you against holding MCPS compliant with the law on school closure? You might have a point if Crown had been built AFTER a Wootton boundary change to include kids from other high schools. That would have been transparent.

But it wasn’t.

MCPS had to change the Wootton boundary in order to fill Crown after it appears that it may have knowingly used outdated (pre-COVID) enrollment projections to break ground on gifted valuable land in the heart of densely populated Crown that it was going to lose if it didn’t. MCPS couldn’t move the Wootton boundaries in time to break ground (it tried previously and failed), so it’s doing so retroactively to cover what it appears had been its plan all along.

MCPS had publicly claimed that Crown was built for the very kids you are championing, but it’s now taking it away from them. Don’t you think a state of the art, under enrolled Crown with smaller class sizes would benefit those kids more, while allowing for the future growth of Crown that we know is coming in the next 5-10 years? Under Taylor’s recommendation, WJ will be significantly under enrolled with low FARMS, so I guess WJ families get a benefit's the Crown kids are being denied.

DP. MCPS has not "tried and failed" to change the Wootton boundaries. There hasn't even been a HS boundary study in the area for decades.

Crown kids will now be going to school in Crown, so it isn't taking it away from them. And class sizes are the same regardless of a school's enrollment. The more students enrolled, the more teachers allocated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guess the resentful Woottonites should have taken out extra loans to purchase houses in the Churchill district instead of Wootton. Sucks to be reminded that being Upper Middle Class means you share some structural conditions with the Middle Class and not the 1%ers of McMansion Potomac. A tragedy.

You sound really silly. Wootton is mostly middle class - upper middle class and we know it. We aren’t confused about our status. People like us sacrifice and live in small dated houses to get into the district rather than spending the same dollars to live in a nicer home zoned to QO or RM. I and many other parents sacrifice cars and vacations. Yes there is some expensive housing but that’s not the majority by any means.

You’re stilled zoned into Wootton even with the relocation, so what’s the problem? Wootton has been clamoring for a new building forever at board meetings when other schools with less advocacy have it worse, and they now get it. Now if having some lower income students make up more of the student population is the issue, why should the rest of the county subsidize Wootton’s “closed borders.”

DP. Why are you against holding MCPS compliant with the law on school closure? You might have a point if Crown had been built AFTER a Wootton boundary change to include kids from other high schools. That would have been transparent.

But it wasn’t.

MCPS had to change the Wootton boundary in order to fill Crown after it appears that it may have knowingly used outdated (pre-COVID) enrollment projections to break ground on gifted valuable land in the heart of densely populated Crown that it was going to lose if it didn’t. MCPS couldn’t move the Wootton boundaries in time to break ground (it tried previously and failed), so it’s doing so retroactively to cover what it appears had been its plan all along.

MCPS had publicly claimed that Crown was built for the very kids you are championing, but it’s now taking it away from them. Don’t you think a state of the art, under enrolled Crown with smaller class sizes would benefit those kids more, while allowing for the future growth of Crown that we know is coming in the next 5-10 years? Under Taylor’s recommendation, WJ will be significantly under enrolled with low FARMS, so I guess WJ families get a benefit's the Crown kids are being denied.

DP. MCPS has not "tried and failed" to change the Wootton boundaries. There hasn't even been a HS boundary study in the area for decades.

Crown kids will now be going to school in Crown, so it isn't taking it away from them. And class sizes are the same regardless of a school's enrollment. The more students enrolled, the more teachers allocated.

1. There were boundary studies and significant pushback

2. Teachers are assigned based on class size range. 3-5 fewer kids in a class makes a difference. Also, the facility is less crowded overall.

3. Less Gaithersburg kids get to go to Crown because Wootton is taking 1700 spots.

[Anonymous]

As a QO parent, I am against option H.

No matter what option they had chosen, our school would have been less crowded since Fields Road goes to Crown and we have no bone in this game.

I am pissed that we will not have access to Crown if Wootton goes there and stays in Region 4 magnet and giving away all the new labs and facilities to Region 4.

Not only do we get the shaft by losing access to Poolesville, now we cannot even go to Crown if Wootton at Crown stays with Region 4.

I want Crown or Wootton at Crown to be in Region 5 so we get access to that school.