Iced out for not being liberal

[Anonymous]

I am 44 and was very active in conservative activities in college and law school (federalist society, etc.) My dad used to send me National Review to read at camp and at college. I married a guy who also leaned conservative but was less "into" politics. We generally voted Republican right until the first Trump election. We have both since moved far away from our former political beliefs, but I would not hold those former beliefs against anyone. But "supporting Trump" is a whole different story and reflects a fundamental discrepancy in values and beliefs.

Yes, conservatives in certain circles (higher ed, etc) have always had to self-censor a bit, which is not ideal for civil discourse, but if anything, "conservative" (MAGA) voices are more championed and accepted today than at any time in the past 30+ years, despite being so much more radical than in the past.

[Anonymous]

You should not be forced to do anything you don't want to do or forced to feel like you need to voice your thoughts to anyone or everyone. It's ok. I have felt the same way too. It's ok to not talk politics 24/7 either.

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Anonymous wrote:What do leftists think the immigration policy should be?

Genuine question.

What was your family's path to legal status in this country?

H1B and then naturalization.

Well, I disagree with the H1B program so I think they should be deported.

Ok, you have the right to that opinion! However, it is the law. And the H1B program has ballooned in the last two decades and is being abused. The process for changing that is policy and it may indeed be changed.

If you want to open up the immigration policy -- to have visas for day laborers, for example -- the process for that is to change the policy. Get people elected to want those things. they will be elected if they appeal to a majority of voters.

I'm a lifelong democrat but many of my leftist friends have completely lost their minds and forgotten how democracy works. If you want to change laws, you elect representatives who can do that.

Okay so asylum seeking is legal, due process is the law. do you disagree with the horror show going on right now because you believe in “the law”.

Again Biden had a policy written by a very conservative republican that everybody agreed with but Trump told republicans to not vote for it.

Do you agree with that?

Do you know how many people that worked for the Trump’s first administration ended up in jail?

Do you know how many of these ice agents are going to end up in jail and be sued civilly and lose everything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should not be forced to do anything you don't want to do or forced to feel like you need to voice your thoughts to anyone or everyone. It's ok. I have felt the same way too. It's ok to not talk politics 24/7 either.

And it’s OK for people to not want to be your friend or to date you.

[Anonymous]

OP,

I hope the title pun was intended?


Other than that, sorry, this isn't a right vs left situation anymore. It's not business as usual.

You should be helping to fight the authoritarian state, instead of whining you're being "iced out". All voters of conscience, whether they're right-leaning or left-leaning, should be doing that right now.

I don't care for your parsing of whether you're not a Trump supporter. You should be loudly declaring that the government is infringing on basic human rights, civil liberties and due process for immigrants. You might think you're safe, and not care about the safety of others. That way lies madness, because there will come a point when no one will stand up for YOU and YOUR RIGHTS.

- conservative.

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Anonymous wrote:What do leftists think the immigration policy should be?

Genuine question.

Here’s the problem… there isn’t just one policy. I’d have to write 500 pages to explain all the different policies.

There’s asylum seekers. There are student visas. There are DACA. There are different rules for Cubans. There’s H1B1.


It’s not a genuine question because it’s not based in any intellectual understanding of the situation.

What’s crazy is there was an immigration policy that was created by a extremely conservative,republican under the Biden administration that everybody agreed to, but Trump told Republicans to vote against it at the last minute, because if there isn’t a problem, he was afraid he wouldn’t get elected.

Genuine question how do you feel about that?

Well said. Also Obama was nicknamed the deporter-in-chief at one point. Maintaining due process and humane procedures is critical obviously, as is properly qualified and trained ICE agents.

He also had more people choose to move back to Mexico then people from Mexico moved to the United States because of our foreign relations and support of that country.

Isn’t this most leftist views on how to prevent asylum seekers and immigration? To support the countries they are coming from and prevent people from needing asylum?

Historically, it’s Republicans who have better foreign policy. Because it keeps our troops safe and prevents wars and terrorist attacks.

But yes, Obama was a very republican president, he was extremely conservative. He was not leftist.

The problem is that many people look at a person and label them and then think everything they do. Is that label.

People don’t understand conservative what that means. That was a very conservative move.

How is that a conservative move? It’s what the democrats have been saying since the 80’s. (At least)

You might want to educate yourself on the Reagan doctrine. Or just conservative views in general.

Ask ChatGPT to explain it to you. Ask ChatGPT, please explain conservative values to me as they were executed before 2000 in the United States.

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Anonymous wrote:What do leftists think the immigration policy should be?

Genuine question.

Here’s the problem… there isn’t just one policy. I’d have to write 500 pages to explain all the different policies.

There’s asylum seekers. There are student visas. There are DACA. There are different rules for Cubans. There’s H1B1.


It’s not a genuine question because it’s not based in any intellectual understanding of the situation.

What’s crazy is there was an immigration policy that was created by a extremely conservative,republican under the Biden administration that everybody agreed to, but Trump told Republicans to vote against it at the last minute, because if there isn’t a problem, he was afraid he wouldn’t get elected.

Genuine question how do you feel about that?

Leftists find themselves in the position of "everyone who gets in is allowed to stay." If that's what they believe, well thats a very extreme viewpoint but they should say it explicitly.

If that's actually not what they believe, then they need to formulate a coherent policy and then they will actually have some standing to oppose ICE as it is working.

Let’s say that I do believe that. I believe that people want to live in their country of origin, and a more permeable border would mean that people would be able to return home some of the time if not most of the time. This means that people who are seasonal workers or day laborers or married to US citizens or simply not making it right now could and would leave, knowing that they could come back.
As it is, the people of DCUM are afraid to take their European vacations. There is no way anyone who is an immigrant is going to leave unless they are prepared to spend the rest of their lives outside the US.

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Anonymous wrote:What do leftists think the immigration policy should be?

Genuine question.

What was your family's path to legal status in this country?

H1B and then naturalization.

Well, I disagree with the H1B program so I think they should be deported.

agree, Melania should be deported.

[Anonymous]

Silence is complicity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t new for left wingers - been the case for 15 years or so.

Right wingers (especially the educated) are much more tolerant of viewpoint diversity.

Um, no. I’m a liberal that went to LSU 20 years ago and got iced out of a lot of friend groups, and literally got called a lefty moron and a whole slew of nastier names. So it isn’t the case that educated republicans are somehow this beacon of tolerance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This isn’t new for left wingers - been the case for 15 years or so.

Right wingers (especially the educated) are much more tolerant of viewpoint diversity.

Is this person trolling or genuinely this stupid? Look at Fox News, that bastion of tolerance for “viewpoint diversity”.

[Anonymous]

It's been this way in DC since forever. Dems control the social scene and are in the government because they are lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t new for left wingers - been the case for 15 years or so.

Right wingers (especially the educated) are much more tolerant of viewpoint diversity.

Lol, 40 years and yes, educated Republicans (not MAGA) can have a rational conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn’t new for left wingers - been the case for 15 years or so.

Right wingers (especially the educated) are much more tolerant of viewpoint diversity.

Lol, 40 years and yes, educated Republicans (not MAGA) can have a rational conversation.

but today's Rs are basically MAGA.

-former R

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the feedback everyone. I’ve never thought twice about who my friends vote for so surprised so many people feel this way. Always thought it was important for people to have a diverse group of friends

I voted for Republicans until 2016 but right now I couldn't be friends with someone who was so willfully ignorant of what is going on right now. The time for being neutral has passed.