Why would parents send kid to school without coat in 20 degree weather?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

NP. Because kids aren’t allowed to attend school in just underwear?

Ahhh so you are capable of telling them to dress appropriately. Good to know.

Yes, and “appropriate” for a kid who overheats easily can mean going without a coat. For most people, this is not a difficult concept.

It was 15 degrees this morning. No human is comfortable in 15 degrees and a wind chill in just a shirt. STOP THE LUNACY.

My 20something friends and I used to go out on weekend evenings with no coat all the time. No point in dragging a hot heavy coat all night. You are so weird.

Sure, let's compare 20 years olds on a night out drinking to 6 and 7 years olds at a bus stop.

But: "no human is comfortable.." Right? No humans?

You were not comfortable. You tolerated it for less than a minute it took to bar hop aided by plenty of alcohol.

And kids tolerate it by running around. This isn't really that hard but you seem to be struggling.

BS. Total BS. I'm not struggling at all. But your kids who aren't wearing coats in 15 degree weather are.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

Are you joking? Many 7 year olds know how to dress themselves. It's not ridiculous. The problem in your house is becoming clearer.

Apparently, they don',t since they are going out in 15 degree weather without a coat.

It's getting colder and colder in your goal post moving example.

Uhmmmm what???? You're not very bright are you?

How many 7 yr olds did you see shivering at the bus in 15degree weather today? What bus stop? Be specific. Did you call the school to report them?

Again, you're not very bright, are you?

Your inability to keep your argument straight is interesting to say the least.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

No, you're deflecting because you didn't read what I was responding to. Dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

NP. Because kids aren’t allowed to attend school in just underwear?

Ahhh so you are capable of telling them to dress appropriately. Good to know.

Yes, and “appropriate” for a kid who overheats easily can mean going without a coat. For most people, this is not a difficult concept.

It was 15 degrees this morning. No human is comfortable in 15 degrees and a wind chill in just a shirt. STOP THE LUNACY.

My 20something friends and I used to go out on weekend evenings with no coat all the time. No point in dragging a hot heavy coat all night. You are so weird.

Sure, let's compare 20 years olds on a night out drinking to 6 and 7 years olds at a bus stop.

But: "no human is comfortable.." Right? No humans?

You were not comfortable. You tolerated it for less than a minute it took to bar hop aided by plenty of alcohol.

And kids tolerate it by running around. This isn't really that hard but you seem to be struggling.

BS. Total BS. I'm not struggling at all. But your kids who aren't wearing coats in 15 degree weather are.

Where did you see these kids? Answer the question.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

Are you joking? Many 7 year olds know how to dress themselves. It's not ridiculous. The problem in your house is becoming clearer.

Apparently, they don',t since they are going out in 15 degree weather without a coat.

It's getting colder and colder in your goal post moving example.

Uhmmmm what???? You're not very bright are you?

How many 7 yr olds did you see shivering at the bus in 15degree weather today? What bus stop? Be specific. Did you call the school to report them?

Again, you're not very bright, are you?

Your inability to keep your argument straight is interesting to say the least.

You keep saying that..........but it doesn't make it true...

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

Are you joking? Many 7 year olds know how to dress themselves. It's not ridiculous. The problem in your house is becoming clearer.

Apparently, they don',t since they are going out in 15 degree weather without a coat.

It's getting colder and colder in your goal post moving example.

Uhmmmm what???? You're not very bright are you?

How many 7 yr olds did you see shivering at the bus in 15degree weather today? What bus stop? Be specific. Did you call the school to report them?

Again, you're not very bright, are you?

Your inability to keep your argument straight is interesting to say the least.

You keep saying that..........but it doesn't make it true...

But, of course it does. Multiple people are laughing at you, hysterical poster.

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Because kids think their sloppy yet trendy sweatshirt is warm enough.

Let them be dumb and learn the hard way. Being cold for 20 minutes at recess is not going to kill them but it will make them think twice about grabbing that jacket next time.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

No, you're deflecting because you didn't read what I was responding to. Dumb.

Wow, you are way too invested in bashing other parents. Are you ok?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

NP. Because kids aren’t allowed to attend school in just underwear?

Ahhh so you are capable of telling them to dress appropriately. Good to know.

Yes, and “appropriate” for a kid who overheats easily can mean going without a coat. For most people, this is not a difficult concept.

It was 15 degrees this morning. No human is comfortable in 15 degrees and a wind chill in just a shirt. STOP THE LUNACY.

My 20something friends and I used to go out on weekend evenings with no coat all the time. No point in dragging a hot heavy coat all night. You are so weird.

Sure, let's compare 20 years olds on a night out drinking to 6 and 7 years olds at a bus stop.

But: "no human is comfortable.." Right? No humans?

You were not comfortable. You tolerated it for less than a minute it took to bar hop aided by plenty of alcohol.

And kids tolerate it by running around. This isn't really that hard but you seem to be struggling.

BS. Total BS. I'm not struggling at all. But your kids who aren't wearing coats in 15 degree weather are.

Where did you see these kids? Answer the question.

I saw plenty. Not just today. This is not new. You idiots have insisted the kids are fine for many years now. There is a thread like this every year as soon as the temps drop. I'm not the OP of this thread, BTW.

I can't even keep straight what you're arguing. That the kids are fine or that I simply couldn't have seen any despite so many insisting on this thread that their kids can't be made to wear proper clothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is wearing a coat in the winter “the right thing” or “dressing appropriately”? Because it’s cold and if you don’t wear a coat you’ll be cold. There’s not a dress code for the months of December to February, for Pete’s sake. If a kid isn’t cold without a coat, whether because they run hot or because it’s 50° out despite being the week before Christmas, being coatless isn’t inappropriate. This seems pretty basic.

Exactly. We are not in remote Alaska. It's generally well above freezing. My kid might bring his coat to school but he is NOT wearing it. He hasn't worn it a single day this year during recess. He's been sick 0 times. He's fine.

But take your concern about child safety and please use that intensity to lobby for gun control so I don't have to worry about him being murdered at school. That's a much bigger issue, I think we can all agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

No, you're deflecting because you didn't read what I was responding to. Dumb.

Wow, you are way too invested in bashing other parents. Are you ok?

Are YOU ok? You can't seem to keep up with the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is wearing a coat in the winter “the right thing” or “dressing appropriately”? Because it’s cold and if you don’t wear a coat you’ll be cold. There’s not a dress code for the months of December to February, for Pete’s sake. If a kid isn’t cold without a coat, whether because they run hot or because it’s 50° out despite being the week before Christmas, being coatless isn’t inappropriate. This seems pretty basic.

Exactly. We are not in remote Alaska. It's generally well above freezing. My kid might bring his coat to school but he is NOT wearing it. He hasn't worn it a single day this year during recess. He's been sick 0 times. He's fine.

But take your concern about child safety and please use that intensity to lobby for gun control so I don't have to worry about him being murdered at school. That's a much bigger issue, I think we can all agree.

Well above freezing like today?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

No, you're deflecting because you didn't read what I was responding to. Dumb.

Wow, you are way too invested in bashing other parents. Are you ok?

Are YOU ok? You can't seem to keep up with the conversation.

Seriously, tell us what is wrong. Maybe we can help.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Your attempt to shame other parents has failed spectacularly. You should probably just step away because you're flailing and spinning out now

No, no.....you started it. Why not let him go in his underwear??? Explain.

DP do you not hear yourself? Do you get that elementary school kids understand social rules and are, by and large not going to ever want to go to school in their underwear? Did your kid ever demand to go to school in his underwear? That's not typical behavior.

I do.....but you kept insisting I'm "sad" because I don't let my kid choose exactly what to wear himself. The example was intended to sound ridiculous because it is. The whole notion that 7 year olds are going to be able to choose appropriate clothing all on their own is ridiculous. That's what I've been trying to tell you. That's why I think it's a parenting failure to let them decide these things completely on their own.

What? A 7 year old absolutely knows that it is not appropriate to go to school in their underwear. That's why you don't see any kids going to school in their underwear. It's not because their mommies are spanking them if they go outside in their underwear.

Who is spanking????? You keep missing the point, intentionally, I assume.

You're trying to argue that because kids don't go to school in just their underwear, they clearly have zero actual power to decide whether to wear/keep a coat on. Therefore, their lack of a coat is a clear sign of poor parenting?!? It's nonsensical.

No, dear. You are arguing that because I insisted that my kids wear a coat at that age that I didn't give them enough personal choice and therefore I must be a horrible authoritarian. You're nonsensical.

You're confusing me with another poster in order to change the subject away from your ridiculous underwear argument.

No, you're deflecting because you didn't read what I was responding to. Dumb.

Wow, you are way too invested in bashing other parents. Are you ok?

Are YOU ok? You can't seem to keep up with the conversation.

Seriously, tell us what is wrong. Maybe we can help.

Your idiocy. Can you work on that?