Why would parents send kid to school without coat in 20 degree weather?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

My kids can decide what to wear on a cold day. If it makes you uncomfortable, so be it. That's your problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

Where is it 15 degrees idiot

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

Where is it 15 degrees idiot

It was the morning this thread was started, idiot. No wonder you can't raise your kids properly. You don't even know how to read.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

Where is it 15 degrees idiot

At lake wobegon

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Anonymous wrote:Because they don't want to actually parent their kids. They let their kids run roughshod and tell them how things are going to go instead of the other way around.

+100

This thread is very eye opening.

If your kid is so stubborn that they refuse to wear a coat in 20° weather to the point that they will throw a tantrum, then you have somehow screwed up parenting when they were younger. Raising entitled, stubborn, know-it-all kids is a major parenting fail.

Yes, it’s such a parenting fail to not fully break the will of a stubborn child when they’re young. Moron.

I'm sure one day when your child is a teen you'll be singing a different tune. Until then, enjoy your ignorance.

My oldest is a teen. I’ve never subscribed to the “total compliance, or else” model of parenting. Children should have some measure of control over their lives. If that means taking off their coat and being cold as a consequence, that’s fine.

You have some strange fantasy in your own mind about how I parent. Since a very young age some things were non-negotiable but we allowed broad leeway for all other things that were not important life skills. This approach created enough trust that our child doesn’t throw a full on tantrum just because we asked them to put on proper clothing. We laid the groundwork in the toddler years so that we didn’t end up with a kid who is not selfish and a know it all once older. They get enough freedom to make personal choices that they don’t feel the need to tantrum about basic things like wearing a coat. Kids don’t scream and argue about jackets if they feel heard and respected by their parents in the first place and the proof of what I say is waiting for you this afternoon at pickup.

NP. The conversations at my house go like this

Me: Do you want to take your coat?
Kid: No, I'm fine
Me: Okay

No tantrums involved

PS- it also includes
Me: shrugging internally - good, maybe they will learn this lesson and realize they need one next time. Or maybe they won't care and it doesn't really matter.

If they miss recess because they didn't want to wear the coat, that's on them. If they care enough they will bring it the next day. Or maybe they didn't want recess anyway.

Why would that happen

A lot of schools require wearing jackets to recess if the temperature is below a certain level.

Because the schools know that it’s dangerous and irresponsible to send kids out in the cold without proper clothing. Wonder why so many parents have a hard time understanding that.

Do you live in Fargo boo?

I doubt anyone walking in Fargo to a bus stop or recess or anything is wearing shorts and a hoodie.

I can’t imagine too many elementary schools not having temperature guidelines for outdoor activity. For cold weather it’s not about the temperature alone, they look at the wind chill factor too. If it’s 40 degrees out some might think no coat is needed. But a wind chill factor will make it feel like it’s way below freezing. And contrary to what people think, a temp of 40 degrees with a wind chill factor, if a child gets wet from playing outside or even sweating a lot then they are at risk for hypothermia. Just cover the skin at least. No shorts below 40 degrees.

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is a trend they don't want to use it.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

DP. If they're not comfortable why wouldn't they just decide to wear a coat? No one is saying they shouldn't own a coat.

Were you never a kid?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

My kids can decide what to wear on a cold day. If it makes you uncomfortable, so be it. That's your problem.

Actually it’s your own child’s problem. They literally don’t know how to take care of themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw a kid outside in short sleeves yesterday. I saw 2 girls at the school bus stop this am wearing very light jackets, no hat, coats or gloves. Some kids won't wear coats for whatever reason. They'll live.

Depending on how cold it is and how long they're outside, they literally might not. But ok.

Yeah, no, standing in the cold in short sleeves for maaaybe 15 minutes will not kill anyone.

Right? I shiver looking at some of these kids walking to school in shorts, but I’m not dumb enough to think they literally don’t own a coat or long pants.

Literally no one said that they don't own the clothing. What we are saying is that parents just shrug and say "Susie doesn't want to wear it so I don't make her."

Susie doesn't want to to do a whole lot of things, but it's your job to teach her and guide her. Or are we just letting kids decide everything now?

What decisions did you allow your kids to make?

At what age? In elementary school, they could choose among the items of clothing that were age, weather, and situation appropriate.

No, you can't back it up now. You think it's your job to decide everything. What exactly are your kids allowed to decide?

I JUST told you. Please read it again.

That's it? How sad for your kids.

So your kid decides to go to school in just his underwear? WHY NOT!!!! HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE. Otherwise, you're an authoritative parent. See how ridiculous that sounds?

NP. Honestly? In the unlikely event he wanted to, I would let my kid go to school in his underware, because it would take about 2 minutes for him to learn that is a completely socially unacceptable thing to do and then he would have the lesson of his own decision makings.

So public shaming is better than you parenting your own child and teaching him at home what is socially acceptable?

Yes. Some kids need to learn the hard way. What’s wrong with having natural consequences?

It is your job to teach your children. Not the school's, not the world's. This is exactly why we are calling you lazy.

I don't really care. I can tell by the outrage that people aren't changing their minds due to your sad attempt at shaming that dealing with conflict is not your strong suit. Your kids could probably tell tales about your hair trigger at any sign of pushback or disobedience. If the kids feel cold, they will bring the coat tomorrow. The world and school will not notice, just the annoying moms nobody likes anyway.

We know, dear. It's sad that you don't care about your kids. That's why you are lashing out at me.

Lashing? lol. My kids dress for their comfort, not yours.

I'm sure they are super comfortable standing outside without a coat in 15 degrees. No, it makes YOU comfortable not to have to parent them. It's lazy and irreponsible. If you didn't feel insecure about it, you wouldn't still be here insulting me.

DP. If they're not comfortable why wouldn't they just decide to wear a coat? No one is saying they shouldn't own a coat.

Were you never a kid?

I was and when I was cold I brought a coat. I was a kid, not a moron.

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In our family, kids are not in charge.

I am also a ES teacher, and it’s quite clear which of my students run their families.

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I argue with my teen constantly about wearing a coat. It was 13 degrees the other morning in dc. Teens go to school in the dark. The kids refuse because they have to carry them all day. Its not worth the argument in my opinion.

I try to set up natural consequences though. I make sure to not be available to meet after school so they have to walk in the cold. Still doesn't learn. My kid feels a base layers, clothes and finally a hoodie is sufficient.

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Anonymous wrote:I would add that I have an older kid who would literally wear t-shirts in the cold (I forced the jacket, and it came off). Now that they are a teen, they wear a coat on their own accord.

The coat battle is common with kids…

He was trying to be cool by not wearing a jacket. Why that is considered cool and seems to be only the males is beyond me but I see the tiny little boys with their silky little shorts walking to school. By high school they are over it.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of kids don’t like wearing coats.

My 13yo still doesn’t.

Does he ski or sledding or ice skating? Even indoor skating is cold. If kids don’t do outside activities I guess they aren’t outside much.

The thing with jackets is there are so many varieties. There are some that are so light with good coverage that it would be hard to hate them. If a jacket is too tight or too heavy then it’s unpleasant. If they found the right coat it might make a difference.

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This is the ES forum. Parents have full influence on their ES students.

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My buttocks would get cold