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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree. I never wanted my kid on a longer bus ride than needed. The MVC lady will never be satisfied because all that matters is MVC to her but really cohorted English in grade 9 would benefit massive numbers of students. It doesn't cost money for new teachers to cohort based on reading and writing levels.

But it can get a school and teachers into hot water if it looks like the black kids are being tracked to the lower cohort. Maybe some objective criteria independent of the school itself gets used to allay this issue.

Why isn’t anyone getting into hot water with math cohorting, then? Let kids register for the level of English class they prefer, just like they self select for on level or upper level social studies classes in 9th.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree with this. I think the problem starts with CES and continues all the way up.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

Yes - DCC parent here who wants MCPS to eliminate all these special programs and focus on: same course offerings in each school; cohorted by ability. There is a decent sized chunk of high performing kids in my zoned high school but special programs incentivize them to leave whereas cohorts would incentivize them to stay with their similarly academically-abled friends they’ve grown up with. Why can’t we do this? I don’t care if there’s only one AP Calculus class in my school and four of them in Whitman as long as any kids in my school who qualify to take AP Calculus can do so without having to take a 45 minute bus ride each way.

I agree. I never wanted my kid on a longer bus ride than needed. The MVC lady will never be satisfied because all that matters is MVC to her but really cohorted English in grade 9 would benefit massive numbers of students. It doesn't cost money for new teachers to cohort based on reading and writing levels.

But it can get a school and teachers into hot water if it looks like the black kids are being tracked to the lower cohort. Maybe some objective criteria independent of the school itself gets used to allay this issue.

How many Black kids are at Blair or Poolesville SMCS, or RMIB?

1-3%

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

Where are those numbers from?

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

-dp

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

-dp

There are no Title 1 or focus high schools in MCPS. They don't get money based on FARMS rates. If they do get extra money it is probably for EML and students with disabilities (low income kids have higher rates of disability). These funds do not address the specific issues associated with poverty nor do they address racism in education, which is a real, documented issue that affects Black and Brown (especially Black) students of all income levels. In addition, MCPS's budget numbers do not distinguish between teachers. As you know, more experienced teachers get paid more. High income schools have more experienced teachers. Therefore, teachers in high income schools get paid more than teachers in low income schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

Where are those numbers from?

The PP's rectum

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

-dp

There are no Title 1 or focus high schools in MCPS. They don't get money based on FARMS rates. If they do get extra money it is probably for EML and students with disabilities (low income kids have higher rates of disability). These funds do not address the specific issues associated with poverty nor do they address racism in education, which is a real, documented issue that affects Black and Brown (especially Black) students of all income levels. In addition, MCPS's budget numbers do not distinguish between teachers. As you know, more experienced teachers get paid more. High income schools have more experienced teachers. Therefore, teachers in high income schools get paid more than teachers in low income schools.

Teacher in high income schools do not get paid more just because the school is in a high income area. They are paid more because they are more senior and have more experience. The teachers with the same seniority/experience get paid the same amount regardless of where the school is located in the county and regardless of socioeconomics of population.

And while there is no Title1 or Focus in High school, MCPS did change their resource allocation to schools. So the PP is correct that High Farms schools are getting more.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

-dp

There are no Title 1 or focus high schools in MCPS. They don't get money based on FARMS rates. If they do get extra money it is probably for EML and students with disabilities (low income kids have higher rates of disability). These funds do not address the specific issues associated with poverty nor do they address racism in education, which is a real, documented issue that affects Black and Brown (especially Black) students of all income levels. In addition, MCPS's budget numbers do not distinguish between teachers. As you know, more experienced teachers get paid more. High income schools have more experienced teachers. Therefore, teachers in high income schools get paid more than teachers in low income schools.

Teacher in high income schools do not get paid more just because the school is in a high income area. They are paid more because they are more senior and have more experience. The teachers with the same seniority/experience get paid the same amount regardless of where the school is located in the county and regardless of socioeconomics of population.

And while there is no Title1 or Focus in High school, MCPS did change their resource allocation to schools. So the PP is correct that High Farms schools are getting more.

I didn't say they get paid more because it is a high income area. I simply said they get paid more.

Impact matters more than intent. MCPS may not have set out to give Black and Brown students and students with lower incomes less experienced teachers. But that is what they are currently doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

-dp

There are no Title 1 or focus high schools in MCPS. They don't get money based on FARMS rates. If they do get extra money it is probably for EML and students with disabilities (low income kids have higher rates of disability). These funds do not address the specific issues associated with poverty nor do they address racism in education, which is a real, documented issue that affects Black and Brown (especially Black) students of all income levels. In addition, MCPS's budget numbers do not distinguish between teachers. As you know, more experienced teachers get paid more. High income schools have more experienced teachers. Therefore, teachers in high income schools get paid more than teachers in low income schools.

Teacher in high income schools do not get paid more just because the school is in a high income area. They are paid more because they are more senior and have more experience. The teachers with the same seniority/experience get paid the same amount regardless of where the school is located in the county and regardless of socioeconomics of population.

And while there is no Title1 or Focus in High school, MCPS did change their resource allocation to schools. So the PP is correct that High Farms schools are getting more.

Huh? What does this even mean? Which schools are getting extra funding due to their FARMS rates (that is, funding that is not for EML or special education)?

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

Where are those numbers from?

The PP's rectum

Not the PP but some indicators can be found in the MD school report card.
https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/

That shows percent proficient in math and ELA, for example.

Or the school profile dashboard gives some measures.

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Anonymous wrote:I would love to hear what deranged level of course offerings should be offered at every school.

How about offering the same exact classes at all schools. You are ok with this because your kids have access. You bash other parents whose kids don’t have access why? You are the problem.

I think your child’s needs should be met, but I don’t think you are being realistic or reasonable in thinking you can buy a home in an under resourced school pyramid and expect that your outlier child, who is not a family on FARMS or an EML student, should get bespoke treatment/allocation of school resources when the majority of your school needs different classes and remediation. I think mcps should provide you transportation to mc or to a nearby high school so you can access those classes they can’t provide at yours. I don’t think your under resourced over crowded school should have to cater to a very small subset.

I think that's a mis-reading of the student population at these high FARMS schools. It's not like 90% are below grade level. There's a substantial cohort of able learners, and they should be able to have their needs met at their home school.

Honestly, this is perhaps a topic for another thread, but the simplest way to do that IMO is less about super-advanced AP or post-AP classes, but to go back to cohorted Grade 9-10 English and Social Studies classes so that teachers aren't scrambling trying to teach to such a wide range of abilities in one classroom, an approach that I don't think helps students at any level.

They are about 30-50% below grade level and 50-70% grade level. Very few above grade level.

But let’s all focus on super advanced coursework….

Sure, because your kids got advanced coursework, who cares about the kids who don't? You want to talk about farms and yet, you don't live in a neighborhood with lower income and they aren't welcome. The better solution is to cut funding from the schools that have more to make it more equal and use that funding to provide more supports in ES and MS to get these kids reading and writing better. There is no fix at the HS level. The fix has to come at the ES level.

School funding is managed by the county, and high FARMs schools already get more funding than other schools (as they should).

Wealthier parents provide outside enrichment. The school district doesn't provide that.

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There are no Title 1 or focus high schools in MCPS. They don't get money based on FARMS rates. If they do get extra money it is probably for EML and students with disabilities (low income kids have higher rates of disability). These funds do not address the specific issues associated with poverty nor do they address racism in education, which is a real, documented issue that affects Black and Brown (especially Black) students of all income levels. In addition, MCPS's budget numbers do not distinguish between teachers. As you know, more experienced teachers get paid more. High income schools have more experienced teachers. Therefore, teachers in high income schools get paid more than teachers in low income schools.

Teacher in high income schools do not get paid more just because the school is in a high income area. They are paid more because they are more senior and have more experience. The teachers with the same seniority/experience get paid the same amount regardless of where the school is located in the county and regardless of socioeconomics of population.

And while there is no Title1 or Focus in High school, MCPS did change their resource allocation to schools. So the PP is correct that High Farms schools are getting more.

Huh? What does this even mean? Which schools are getting extra funding due to their FARMS rates (that is, funding that is not for EML or special education)?

DP. I think this refers to a part of Taylor's new operating budget. I'll look for a link.